 robbinPremium,MVM join:2000-09-21 Leander, TX kudos:1 | reply to supernac
Re: Quote for replacement AC condenser said by supernac:the tech came out to do the cleaning/tuneup informed me that fan motor needed to be replaced along with the contactor. He quoted me $500 for the motor, $200 for the contator.
At this point I think I'm just going to replace them both myself and try to get another 22 years out of it  Should be able to reach both for under $200 doing it yourself. |
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 | reply to supernac Well I went ahead and got another quote, came out to be $3600 for a york 13 seer 2.5 tons and a york 80% furnace installed. Pretty sure I'm going with this deal. |
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 SandSharkLong may you runPremium,MVM join:2000-05-23 Santa Fe, TX kudos:3 | If that includes new refrigerant lines and the evaporator coil, that's a pretty good deal. |
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 robbinPremium,MVM join:2000-09-21 Leander, TX kudos:1 | reply to supernac Probably doesn't hurt to ask as new R22 units are still available. You are not getting quotes on R22 units are you? |
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 SandSharkLong may you runPremium,MVM join:2000-05-23 Santa Fe, TX kudos:3 | I certainly hope not. |
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 | reply to supernac Its the newer refrigerant according to the brochures, he said they would replace the coil, but reuse the lines unless they couldn't for some reason. For another $350 I can get an addition 10 year labor warranty, is it worth it? |
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 SandSharkLong may you runPremium,MVM join:2000-05-23 Santa Fe, TX kudos:3 | said by supernac:Its the newer refrigerant according to the brochures, he said they would replace the coil, but reuse the lines unless they couldn't for some reason. For another $350 I can get an addition 10 year labor warranty, is it worth it? I don't get it. They'll replace the refrigerant lines unless they can't reuse them "for some reason"? What's that supposed to mean? They should replace them, period. If they don't replace them, are they going to lower the price they quoted you? As to the warranty, it's worth it. If, after the first year, you lose a compressor, even though the compressor would be under warranty, you'll be paying for the labor to replace it. Of course, if you never use it, it won't be worth it. |
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 robbinPremium,MVM join:2000-09-21 Leander, TX kudos:1 | I would wager that the quote is for not replacing the lines and if they need to replace them it will cost more. |
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 | I got the impression that it would be included in that price if they had to replace it. Its a crawl space house, so replacing it should be easy, there is maybe 20 foot of line. I'll double check though before I pull the trigger. |
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 Jack_in_VAPremium join:2007-11-26 Mathews, VA kudos:1 | If it's being changed from R-22 to R-410A the lines have to be changed. I just upgraded my system and the lines were changed. |
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 | reply to supernac Sounds very high to me. I paid $1400 installed for a commercial gas furnace/AC unit for my home, when I needed to replace my old furnace under a very small crawl space. The new one sits outside like a heat pump. I used servicemagic.com, who refers several local independent contractors who they have already vetted for being licensed and insured. Previous customers also post reviews of their experience like feedback on e-bay. I've had very good luck using them for several projects.
HVAC and home improvement salesmen (especially Sears) are like car salesmen. They try to get as much as possible, and if you don't call them on it, you'll pay way too much. Most people have no idea what things really cost and fall victim.
I had a salesman waste 3 hours of my time to quote me a price of $18,000 for new gutters on my 1500 sq foot house! By time he did the "call my manager" routine to lower the cost, and asking if they could but a sign in my yard for a month, the price came down by $9000. I told him if the price could drop by that much in a 3 hour visit, he was a f*^%$ crook! I paid someone $800 for new seamless aluminum gutters. |
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| said by 8744675:I had a salesman waste 3 hours of my time to quote me a price of $18,000 for new gutters on my 1500 sq foot house! By time he did the "call my manager" routine to lower the cost, and asking if they could but a sign in my yard for a month, the price came down by $9000. I told him if the price could drop by that much in a 3 hour visit, he was a f*^%$ crook! I paid someone $800 for new seamless aluminum gutters. For that price quoted by Sears for the gutters, it should have included a "free" re-roof and "free" siding to go along with the gutters.
LOL -- The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. |
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 | Perhaps a bit OT (my apologies to the OP), but what if your line set is not easily accessible?
I'm contemplating a system upgrade myself, but my line set is routed between the first and second floors of my home. It travels up underneath the outdoor siding for about 8 feet, makes a 90 degree turn into a chase, then makes another 90 degree turn (horizontally) about half way through the run. The line set is about 35 feet long.
How do you replace something like that without some serious "carpentry" work?
Thanks. |
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 | Unless its leaking or the wrong size you don't have to replace them. The lines can be cleaned and reused, its a standard practice that is done all the time according to google. |
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 | reply to KachiWachi They run it on the outside of the house and cover it with a lineset cover which looks a hell of a lot better than the lines snaking their way up the side of the house. There is a way around everything, granted it doesn't look as good as a hidden lineset but it gets the job done. |
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 SandSharkLong may you runPremium,MVM join:2000-05-23 Santa Fe, TX kudos:3 | reply to supernac said by supernac:Unless its leaking or the wrong size you don't have to replace them. The lines can be cleaned and reused, its a standard practice that is done all the time according to google. Yes, the line set can be reused if they are installed in such a way to be able to remove any existing mineral oil that might be inside the lines. Systems using R-410A use polyolester (POE) oil, which is not compatible with mineral oil. If there are any inadvertent traps or low spots in the existing lines, oil can be trapped and be difficult to remove, even with flushing. Another thing is R-410A systems run much higher pressures than R-22 systems. If there are any weak joints in the existing lines, the higher pressures could cause the lines to leak. The bottom line is, if at all possible, it is best practice to replace the lines when changing over form R-22 to R-410A refrigerant. |
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| Having worked in this industry and seeing how many corners get cut in order to maximize profit, i'd insist on new lines.. Reason being is they will either not clean them right or, simply not do it at all. You won't notice any problems immediately, but you will and it will cost a ton to find the leaks and to eventually come to the conclusion to replace the ENTIRE system.. For split units thats gonna really hurt if its labor intensive.. Spend the extra dollars, or find someone willing to include the line replacement for the bid..
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| reply to supernac said by supernac:I got the impression that it would be included in that price if they had to replace it. Its a crawl space house, so replacing it should be easy, there is maybe 20 foot of line. I'll double check though before I pull the trigger. Don't "get the impression, " get what will happen if they need to change the lines in writing. It's either included in the price or not. |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM join:2003-05-14 Fort Wayne, IN kudos:7 | reply to robbin said by robbin:Probably doesn't hurt to ask as new R22 units are still available. You are not getting quotes on R22 units are you? Any "new" R22 unit that you buy today will have been sitting in a warehouse for the past two and a half years. |
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 quakerPremium join:2001-12-27 Rocky River, OH | Not true, Working for a wholesaler we don't have any more charged R22 units only dry units. |
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