Same as FiOS

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25139889 join:2011-10-25 Toledo, OH	Same as FiOS Since when is U-Verse FTTN the same as VZ's FiOS services? And better question- since when is it illegal to install Fiber optics direct to a home?
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maartena Elmo Premium join:2002-05-10 Orange, CA kudos:1	said by 25139889: Since when is U-Verse FTTN the same as VZ's FiOS services? Since never. Two different technologies. Plus you can't choose between the two, your address will get one or the other, depending which territory you are in. And better question- since when is it illegal to install Fiber optics direct to a home? I was going to say "Since never" on this question also, only realizing that there are some towns that TRIED to deploy their own fiber, and got sued to death by AT&T, Verizon, or Cable companies. Not necessarily something that falls in the "illegal" category, That said, it is NOT illegal by any law. You are completely free to buy a 100 Mbps fiberoptic Metro-ethernet business connection from AT&T for instance. You are just going to pay about $3k a month at minimum. -- "I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
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Jon Premium join:2001-01-20 Lisle, IL	reply to 25139889 said by 25139889: since when is it illegal to install Fiber optics direct to a home? Who said it was? I assume some door-to-door salesman?
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25139889 join:2011-10-25 Toledo, OH	lol. always! LoL. I'm just curious on how its illegal?- lol. And when they claim FiOS is NOT FTTH.
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25139889 join:2011-10-25 Toledo, OH	reply to maartena i know its legal to buy your own Fiber optics, etc. It's the fact of ATT claiming their network is full FTTH but fiber to the home is illegal.
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maartena Elmo Premium join:2002-05-10 Orange, CA kudos:1	said by 25139889: It's the fact of ATT claiming their network is full FTTH but fiber to the home is illegal. Where do they claim this? -- "I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
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25139889 join:2011-10-25 Toledo, OH	ATT does all the time in this area. Even when going door to door- 3rd party agents and actual ATT reps. It happens ALL the time in Ohio.
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Secyurityet join:2012-01-07 untied state	said by 25139889: ATT does all the time in this area. Even when going door to door- 3rd party agents and actual ATT reps. It happens ALL the time in Ohio. That's one I'd ask for some proof on. If they're gonna say inherently dumb things like that, they should know the legal code citation.
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ilikeme I live in a van down by the river. Premium join:2002-08-27 Denton, TX kudos:1	reply to 25139889 I have two houses, one has FIOS and the other has Crap-Verse. FIOS is awesome, U-Verse sucks. We are actually switching my house that has U-Verse back to DirecTV or Dish and Comcast for internet and phone.
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maartena Elmo Premium join:2002-05-10 Orange, CA kudos:1	reply to 25139889 said by 25139889: ATT does all the time in this area. Even when going door to door- 3rd party agents and actual ATT reps. It happens ALL the time in Ohio. The reps here say "Fiberoptic network", just like the cable TV guys do. And technically, both are somewhat correct..... they are both running on a fiberoptic network that is 90% fiberoptic, and 10% copper. (Maybe even 95/5). All over the city everything runs on fiber, except the distance between the node/vrad and your home. I have never heard a AT&T rep specifically state though that they would bring "fiber to my HOME". There is a difference. But it is easy to get caught in sales talk that sounds like what you WANT to hear, but is legally speaking not actually fiber to the HOME, more like fiber to the neighborhood. -- "I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
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videonex join:2001-07-22 Reviews: ·VOIPo	reply to 25139889 There are however some RARE cases where U-Verse is FTTH. They are exclusively new areas that have been built new in the last 10 years and never had copper in the first place. AT&T did FTTH in those new locations as there was no copper already in place.
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Zoder join:2002-04-16 Miami, FL	I took a Harris poll last week about home broadband usage and they referred to both FiOS and U-Verse in their answer choices as fiber optic service.
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Defcon888 Premium join:2003-07-22 San Bruno, CA Reviews: ·AT&T U-Verse ·San Bruno Munici..	reply to 25139889 said by 25139889: ATT does all the time in this area. Even when going door to door- 3rd party agents and actual ATT reps. It happens ALL the time in Ohio. Perhaps they meant that the local ordinances or districts prevented AT&T from running fiber to the home/poles, etc. I know that in San Francisco, the City prevented AT&T from running those stupid fiber boxes to the streets, so many in older neighborhoods are still left with POTS/DSL. See: »broadbandcouncil.ca.gov/general.aspx?id=75
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etaadmin join:2002-01-17 Dallas, TX kudos:1 1 edit	reply to Zoder said by Zoder: I took a Harris poll last week about home broadband usage and they referred to both FiOS and U-Verse in their answer choices as fiber optic service. I remember a consumer reports article also describing uverse as fiber optic. AT&T does a good job catering to this people so they can lie to the public. Edit: I remember the link »Consumer Reports: FiOS, U-Verse Best Triple Play »/r0/download/1···CR2C.jpg »pressroom.consumerreports.org/pr···ice.html
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djrobx join:2000-05-31 Valencia, CA kudos:1 Reviews: ·VOIPo ·Verizon Wireless.. ·RoadRunner Cable ·AT&T U-Verse	reply to 25139889 said by 25139889: ATT does all the time in this area. Even when going door to door- 3rd party agents and actual ATT reps. It happens ALL the time in Ohio. Same in the LA area. The door-to-door people phrase it as "new fiberoptic service". There's fiber installed somewhere, so it's not really "illegal" but definitely misleading. -- AT&T U-Hearse - RIP Unlimited Internet 1995-2011 Rethink Billable.
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cramer join:2007-04-10 Raleigh, NC kudos:7	reply to Defcon888 Fiber based, but then Comcast, Cox, et. al. can make the same claim. There were no limitation on running fiber lines in SFO. However, the city did say h*** no to placing those ugly VRADs everywhere. AT&T can run fiber to every house if they want to. Planting a VRAD every 1000ft... NO! [Also, they were blocked on a legal technicality. As soon as (or if) they file their environmental survey, they'll be clear to continue.]
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InvisiBill join:2004-12-01 Saranac, MI Reviews: ·AT&T U-Verse ·AT&T DSL Service	reply to 25139889 There are a number of legal reasons why someone might not be able to run fiber to a home, generally speaking. As others have said, there may be standard procedures that one has to go through first, such as filing forms or having surveys done. These same regulations should apply to any similar connection to your home though, not just fiber. Also as has been mentioned, in some places local municipalities have tried to provide their own internet access (whether by fiber, Wi-Fi, or some other means) similar to a utility, and have been blocked legally by the ISPs claiming unfair government interference in the market. However, I'm not aware of any laws flat-out banning running fiber to a home (that wouldn't show up in one of those "101 Crazy Laws" books). Depending on where you are, U-verse internet can be one of three methods. In some places, it is Fiber To The Home like FiOS. In many places, it's Fiber To The Node then VDSL over copper from the VRAD to your home. The latest addition is U-verse IP-DSL, which runs over a copper pair just like old ADSL, but using a slightly different setup. Like many others here have already said, I haven't seen anything official from AT&T where they even state specifics of what's used for the connection. It wasn't until I came here and researched that I realized the U-verse that recently became available for my area was just DSL and not fiber at all. The only distinction on AT&T's page was that only Internet is available, not TV or Phone. It didn't mention fiber anywhere, just "U-verse". And honestly, regular people shouldn't need to care what medium is used to deliver their internet connection. Unless you're worried about details of the hardware that will be used (i.e. what modem to buy) or theoretical limits of the system to judge capacity and load, it really doesn't matter. If they can deliver the connection they advertise, I don't care if it's over fiber, coax, a copper pair, or a string with tin cans. I'm paying for a service, not a specific type of cable.
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maartena Elmo Premium join:2002-05-10 Orange, CA kudos:1	reply to djrobx said by djrobx: said by 25139889: ATT does all the time in this area. Even when going door to door- 3rd party agents and actual ATT reps. It happens ALL the time in Ohio. Same in the LA area. The door-to-door people phrase it as "new fiberoptic service". There's fiber installed somewhere, so it's not really "illegal" but definitely misleading. Exactly. And Time Warner Cable has been doing the same for years, as soon as FIOS came to town they started using the term "fiberoptic network". They never once claimed "we bring fiber to your home". Misleading, for sure. If you have a low grasp of technology you could easily be mislead into believing they mean fiber to your home. But alas.... -- "I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
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djrobx join:2000-05-31 Valencia, CA kudos:1 Reviews: ·VOIPo ·Verizon Wireless.. ·RoadRunner Cable ·AT&T U-Verse	reply to InvisiBill If they can deliver the connection they advertise, I don't care if it's over fiber, coax, a copper pair, or a string with tin cans. I'm paying for a service, not a specific type of cable. Sure, but we're discussing how the U-verse product is being advertised by the door-to-door salespeople. They're using "fiber" to suggest that it's something new and technologically superior to the competition. Really, the fiber/copper ratio is about the same as what the cable company has had for over a decade. The cable nodes and VRADs have pretty similar distribution around here. »www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vGbhHwP3sE TWC eventually got in trouble for it... »arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011···g-fiber/ If TWC isn't allowed to call their service "Fiber optic", AT&T shouldn't, either. -- AT&T U-Hearse - RIP Unlimited Internet 1995-2011 Rethink Billable.
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r81984 Fair and Balanced Premium join:2001-11-14 Katy, TX Reviews: ·row44 ·AT&T U-Verse ·AT&T DSL Service	said by djrobx: If TWC isn't allowed to call their service "Fiber optic", AT&T shouldn't, either. I guess since ATT is 99% copper to the home and 1% fiber to the home they can say it is fiber optic. To ensure they cant get in trouble all they need to do is put in the small print "not fiber to the home in all areas". For cable they are 100% copper to the home. -- ...brought to you by Carl's Jr.
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