| Things that make you go hmmmmm... Legitimate Copies: Forced advertising, piracy warnings, etc. Not being able to play on various other devices, must buy in multiple formats if you want multiple devices, or be forced to use the provided DRM'd copy, and pray that the device you wish to play it on supports that format.
Pirated copies: Freely use them on whichever device you want. Run a home server to stream them to your phone or other portable device with Plex. Not being forced to purchase multiple copies, no DRM, so rights don't expire. No irritating warnings/previews that you can't skip. Do whatever you want to do with it, because there's no restrictions on re-encoding it into an avi/mkv/mp4 to place on your iphone/android to watch on that long, drawn out airplane/train/car ride.
I think the preferred method is pretty obvious here. MPAA/RIAA need to adapt and potentially find a way to provide value to their customers, rather than just inconvenience them. I also don't see the benefit of saying "Piracy is a lost sale", no, it's really not a lost sale, if you're not providing what I want in a product, I won't buy it. You provide me with a properly released product, without restrictions that automatically assume that I'm going to copy it and hand it out to all my friends, and I'd probably purchase it, as I wouldn't feel like I was being treated like a criminal. But until then, claim what you will, it's not a lost sale if I wouldn't buy your product anyway because of silly artificial restrictions.
For android, there's rooting, for iPhone, there's jailbreaking, for Wii, there's soft-modding. All have legitimate reasons, not always to do with piracy, though companies would have you believe that it's for your own safety/benefit, but restricting what you can do with what you've purchased, is ridiculously stupid and short-sighted. |
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| Third option: Legitimate copy that is ripped and put on a home server. You get the advantages of the pirated copy without actually pirating. Of course, ripping is technically illegal, but I can't see the MPAA building a case around "John Doe ripped these DVDs that he bought and then shared them with his wife and kids!!!"
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said by whiteyonenh:but restricting what you can do with what you've purchased, is ridiculously stupid and short-sighted.
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said by Jason Levine:Third option: Legitimate copy that is ripped and put on a home server. You get the advantages of the pirated copy without actually pirating. Of course, ripping is technically illegal, but I can't see the MPAA building a case around "John Doe ripped these DVDs that he bought and then shared them with his wife and kids!!!"
Sure, I suppose, but forcing me to break the law (ripping/breaking encryption) so I can use my PURCHASED media the way I want to use it for MY PERSONAL USE, is ridiculous. If it's breaking the law anyways, may as well pirate.
Still goes back to not providing a way to purchase media without artificial restrictions because some corporate bigwig wants you to purchase 5-10 different versions for all your devices, and still being forced to watch unskippable/annoying anti-piracy warnings.
Give me a way to get the same pretty box, without the restrictions, and I may purchase it, even if it were for example $10-15 more. But given the history of most corporations, I doubt that would happen, they'd trial a $100 version next to the $20 new release, and very few would purchase it, and they'd be like "Consumers aren't interested in this, guess we're not going to sell it then." Consumers aren't interested because the price is completely unrealistic and they feel that they're being ripped-off, not because they're not interested in a product such as this. |
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said by Jason Levine:Third option: Legitimate copy that is ripped and put on a home server. You get the advantages of the pirated copy without actually pirating. Of course, ripping is technically illegal, but I can't see the MPAA building a case around "John Doe ripped these DVDs that he bought and then shared them with his wife and kids!!!"
But you're still breaking the law.
Fourth option: Industry gets head out of ass, treats paying customer with respect.
The music industry finally got it. I no longer have trouble buying DRM-free MP3s or AACs, and they're priced reasonably. The movie industry seems to be headed in the opposite direction.
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said by whiteyonenh:Sure, I suppose, but forcing me to break the law (ripping/breaking encryption) so I can use my PURCHASED media the way I want to use it for MY PERSONAL USE, is ridiculous. If it's breaking the law anyways, may as well pirate.
There is one difference between the 2 methods above. Ripping your own copy makes the chance of getting caught virtually zero and a sure loser in a lawsuit by MPAA. Downloading a pirated copy and getting caught(small chance, but still there) can make your life a hell for a long time. |
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| said by Linklist:said by whiteyonenh:Sure, I suppose, but forcing me to break the law (ripping/breaking encryption) so I can use my PURCHASED media the way I want to use it for MY PERSONAL USE, is ridiculous. If it's breaking the law anyways, may as well pirate.
There is one difference between the 2 methods above. Ripping your own copy makes the chance of getting caught virtually zero and a sure loser in a lawsuit by MPAA. Downloading a pirated copy and getting caught(small chance, but still there) can make your life a hell for a long time. Usenet... |
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Pleasant Hill, MO | reply to whiteyonenh
Since when is ripping it against the law? I know Canada has that law but I didn't know the US did too. |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | In theory its illegal in the US because of the DMCA, but since the DMCA is not a real law rip away. It is not even morally wrong to rip DVDs and BDs that you own.
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Basically, it's illegal to create and distribute tools that break encryption. So it's technically legal for you to rip your DVDs, but people aren't allowed to create the programs that you'd need to use to break the encryption on the DVDs so you could rip them. Not sure if possessing such a tool is considered illegal as well.
Of course, as fAcEtIOUs pointed out above, there's a big difference between ripping your own DVDs (technically illegal but virtually no chance of being sued much less of the MPAA winning a "he ripped his own DVDs and didn't distribute them" lawsuit) and downloading pirated copies (definitely illegal and definite possibility of being sued and facing big fines).
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Pleasant Hill, MO | Oh, so thats why they took the encryption breaking stuff out of handbreak right? However if I recall correctly there is a library included with vlc(and I think MPC-HC) that makes it so if both handbreak and vlc/mpc-hc are on the same computer it can remove the encryption. |
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The new Copyright law would make it illegal to use tools to break digital encryption. Fuck the Cons, and their money shills. |
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said by me1212:Oh, so thats why they took the encryption breaking stuff out of handbreak right? Yes. It would be like the government knowing that they can't outright ban hunting, so instead they outlaw all weapons. |
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