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InvisiBill

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How to bridge your Motorola 2210-02-1ATT (U-verse IP-DSL)

How to bridge your Motorola 2210-02-1ATT (AT&T U-verse IP-DSL)

I've seen a number of people asking how to do this, and others stating that it's just not possible. Technically, due to using 802.1X instead of PPPoE, it's not possible to "bridge" the modem as you would with a traditional ADSL modem (where your router is configured to do PPPoE and act as the connection endpoint), but you can still use "IP passthrough" mode, which accomplishes what most people are looking for (skipping the modem's builtin NAT router and sending everything directly to your own router).

The web interface of the 2210-02-1ATT is very simple and nearly identical to that of my old Siemens SpeedStream 4100. There's pretty much only one configuration page with two options, one of which is turning IP passthrough on or off. With as many people as I've seen discussing this, I really hope there's an older firmware version (mine is 7.8.7r9) or something that was completely different from what I'm seeing. I literally found the option in seconds, and it's described about as well as it could be in a sentence or two. Whenever someone posted the guide for the old 2210-02, everyone complained that this was a totally different model and therefore the guide was completely worthless. If you ignore the (no longer used) PPPoE settings, it's nearly identical to the old 2210-02, and the same steps are used. It just boggles my mind that anyone could NOT figure this out.


Canezoid
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Might you be possibly confusing the 2210 w/ the NVG510 that most peeps are talking about w/ that prob ?



InvisiBill

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No, it is (was?) very common for people to ask how to bridge a 2210-02-1ATT (and frequently state that it's not possible). »www.google.com/search?q=2210-02-···dge+mode There were enough people asking about it and stating that it wasn't possible that I was hesitant to buy one (trying to avoid using the NVG510 that I was forced to order with my new U-verse). In my other thread (»My experience switching from AT&T ADSL to U-verse IP-DSL), someone offered to make a guide if I got screenshots for them, so it still seems to be an issue.

I also just found that Motorola even has a guide posted on this. Mine came with 7.8.7r9 and the footer of the page says 2010, so my guess is that this page has been around for a while.
2210-02-1ATT: Public IP Address Sharing
NOTE: This document applies to firmware version 7.8.1r7 and later.

Also note that the NVG510 has IP Passthrough options as well, they just seem to be buggy and not actually work properly. Which seems to fit right in with the rest of the bugs people are reporting with the NVG510... I've got some details in my pre-U-verse thread at »Current status of NVG510 IP Passthrough?.



r81984
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On the NVG510, Since May IP Passthrough only works with IPv6 turned off and using Static IP Passthrough with the subnet mask of 255.255.0.0.
Using DHCPS IP passthrough will fail as it assigns 255.255.255.255 for the subnet mask and IPv6 just kills it for from reason.

How did you get them to activate the 2210-02-1ATT instead of having to use the NVG510 they sent you???
I might have to get one on ebay to replace this NVG510 crap if ATT will activate it on my account which previously they refused to do for me.
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said by r81984:

How did you get them to activate the 2210-02-1ATT instead of having to use the NVG510 they sent you???
I might have to get one on ebay to replace this NVG510 crap if ATT will activate it on my account which previously they refused to do for me.

It really will activate itself...


r81984
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said by ILpt4U:

It really will activate itself...

Automatically to your account?
So Uverse activation is by port in the DSLAM not by mac address or a unique certificate?
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ILpt4U
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said by r81984:

said by ILpt4U:

It really will activate itself...

Automatically to your account?
So Uverse activation is by port in the DSLAM not by mac address or a unique certificate?

It is a little of both I think (not an expert in that). As long as it is a U-Verse modem compatible with your service (ADSL2+ U-Verse modems for IPDSLAM; VDSL2 U-Verse modems for FTTN), the modem will authenticate with the dslam, given the modem has the proper firmware/updates/etc

I do know that there is no special process to call AT&T to change to a compatible modem.

You will have to call for an RMA to return the shipped modem, should you attain your own modem


InvisiBill

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reply to r81984
Nobody seems to know for sure exactly how AT&T's authentication system works, but ILpt4U's description seems to be accurate based on the little bit that I've seen, and what I'd expect from AT&T.

Many houses have cable hookups even without active service, so it probably wouldn't be too hard to steal internet with your own cable modem the way some people steal cable TV. DSL doesn't seem to be as susceptible to that sort of thing, as it requires more work on their end to actually set up a DSL connection to your home. My guess is that AT&T figures it's good enough if you have a modem with the proper AT&T firmware and your line is actively connected to their service, therefore they don't need to track modem details like the cable companies do.

My NVG510 had the serial number and I think the MAC address on a label on the outside of the box, the way many electronics do now. However, the service installation procedures did not include anything specific to that modem's numbers or any sort of special activation process. It was actually easier than my ADSL setup, as I didn't have to enter PPPoE credentials - just plug it in and wait for the lights to turn green. It's possible that they record the modem's details before shipping it out and link it to your account, but my guess is that they don't. When I called for the RMA on my NVG510, the rep didn't react at all when I said I already had a U-verse modem and just wanted to return the unused, unneeded NVG510. While I generally don't put a whole lot of faith in first-level phone reps, this reinforces my belief that there's no special link between the specific modem they send you and your account.

I think the lines about it only working with the modem they send you are more to avoid people buying the wrong kind of modem (for example, the old 2210-02 or a U-verse VDSL modem) that won't work with U-verse IP-DSL. I don't think it's even possible to buy a U-verse IP-DSL modem retail, so there's probably no "official" way to buy a brand new U-verse modem outside of AT&T anyway. While buying a used 2210-02-1ATT on eBay from a former U-verse customer may work perfectly well, AT&T most likely doesn't want to support all the clueless users who would try to do that (and fail to get the proper modem).



r81984
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It makes sense that all the access/authentication/speed is set at your port on the DSLAM so you don't have to keep unplugging cables or need any active authentication.
When every house is on uverse you would save all the CO labor by not having to plug in and unplug cables. The phone rep can switch on and off the port and set the speed profile.

If it is set by the ports then I wonder why all the phone reps say you cant use a used modem and must always buy a new one from them.
They now charge for unsupported equipment calls so its not a waste of their money if they have to troubleshoot someone buying the wrong modem.
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InvisiBill

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said by r81984:

If it is set by the ports then I wonder why all the phone reps say you cant use a used modem and must always buy a new one from them.
They now charge for unsupported equipment calls so its not a waste of their money if they have to troubleshoot someone buying the wrong modem.

As I've said, everything indicates that my 2210 was brand new and had never been used before, plus I never actually hooked up the NVG510 they sent me. It's possible that something is written to or read from the modem when it's activated that ties it to your account, which in my case would've simply happened to the 2210 instead of the NVG510. My success doesn't fully prove that someone else's used modem would actually work for you. It does seem to prove that you don't necessarily need to use the specific modem they mail you though.

I know that with the old PPPoE ADSL, I could use either my own or my parents' credentials at either location (I was testing out different modem models at both locations), and it would connect at whatever speed the physical location was subscribed to (not the speed of the account credentials used). It seemed that most of the details were tied to the physical line, and PPPoE was just a final check to make sure you were using a valid account. Note that both locations are served from the same CO (but on opposite sides of town), which may or may not have anything to do with this. I envision IP-DSL being similar, with most details tied the physical line and the 802.1X authentication of the modem acting as a simple access check.

ILpt4U's comment that there's no special procedure for swapping modems and the complete non-reaction of the rep I talked to about returning my NVG510 also lead me to believe that the reps saying you have to buy a new modem are simply incorrect. They could just be misinformed, or they could be lying.

Despite charging for support, AT&T probably doesn't really want people buying modems that don't work. If some clueless person buys an old PPPoE modem and is charged by AT&T to tell them it won't work with U-verse, then repeats with a U-verse VDSL modem, do you think the person is really going to want to spend another $100 to buy the modem from AT&T to actually be able to use their service? The harder it is for a person to get their service working, the less likely they are to keep it (and thus send AT&T money every month). Despite not being technically true, it's probably easier on everyone in most cases to just tell people they need to buy the modem from AT&T. Between the cost of actually buying the other modem and the time involved, it's probably only saving the person $50. If AT&T truly doesn't provide support on those modems, then the extra $50 is probably actually worth it for someone who doesn't really know what they're doing.

If I can get my hands on a used modem, preferably from someone who no longer actually has U-verse, I'll test it out and see if it still works for me. I'd really like to prove this one way or the other with actual facts and testing.


r81984
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reply to InvisiBill
I got a 2210 and it works.
I laugh that people were confused at how to bridge it.
It took 2 seconds to figure out to check "Yes, use public IP address".
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