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Use 220V AC Adapter in North America?

I have an AC Adapter that says "Input: 220V AC" on it, not 110-220 like they usually do. Can I safely use this in North America? And if it's not too much trouble I would be delighted to know why or why not.

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Hardest part will be finding a 220V outlet. You might be able to find a 120 to 240V transformer.

Probably would be easier to replace the adapter with one that will work on 120V.


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What would happen if I plugged it into a 110V outlet? The plug physically fits.



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said by Mango:

What would happen if I plugged it into a 110V outlet? The plug physically fits.

You would probably not get enough voltage out.

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Ok, so if I measure it with a multimeter, and it matches what the AC adapter says it should output, I'm good to go?



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What exactly happens when you use it on 120V depends on the design of the AC adapter.

For an old-style transformer based AC adapter the output voltage will be too low. This in itself may not harm the AC adapter but could potentially be harmful for the attached device in a variety of ways (too low and unregulated output voltage).

With a switch-mode AC adapter the input current will be too high (to compensate for the low input voltage). This could overheat and damage components on the input side of the AC adapter and might even start a fire if those components are of poor quality.
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Thank you very much.

One final question if I may. I think I'll replace the adapter just to be safe. What should I look for so I know I'm getting a good one? I Googled 120V 24V 5A and found a bunch of them with the right plug, just not sure which one to pick.



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Before choosing a "good" adapter, narrow down the search for the correct adapter. This means:
- input voltage or voltage range is correct
- output voltage matches exactly
- output current of the adapter is equal to or higher then the device input current
- output is of the correct type: AC or unregulated DC or regulated DC (it is ok to use a regulated DC adapter for a device that is designed for an unregulated DC power supply but not vice versa).

From the remaining list of adapters you can determine which ones are "good" by checking:
- Does the adapter have certifications from independent safety organizations such as Underwriters Laboratories (UL, cUL) or Technischer Überwachungs Verein (TÜV, GS) or VDE ? The CE (Europe) and CCC (China) markings are assurances from the manufacturer to comply with safety regulations but may not be independently verified and therefore are not as reliable. Stay away from adapters that don't even claim to comply with safety regulations.
- Efficiency if known. This is often not published or only in meaningless marketing terms. A good power supply / adapter will have a high efficiency over a wide range of load currents. If it is a computer power supply look for 80Plus certifications that show that the power supply was tested to be more then 80% efficient with Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum even better. A high efficiency is not only an indication of a better quality power supply, it will also save you money.
- Warranty period. Generally a longer warranty period indicates a confidence by the manufacturer that the product will outlast the warranty period. However keep in mind that the warranty is only as good as the company backing it and a no-name company may go out of business as quick as it started up.
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said by Mango:

What would happen if I plugged it into a 110V outlet? The plug physically fits.

A picture of the label would help in correctly answering your question.

That plug that fits a 120 outlet, too. I'm curious about that

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Looking at the adapter just now, it says 230V. The specs said 220V.

@leibold - thanks very much for the comprehensive response!

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I think I'll get this: »www.ebay.ca/itm/4-Pin-24V-AC-Ada···c99a0186

That one actually has the wrong pinout. The 220V adapter has + on pins 1 and 3 and - on pins 2 and 4.

The one I linked has + on pins 1 and 2 and - on pins 3 and 4.

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It is definitely a switch mode power supply. The labeling is poor and shows 230V in English and 220V in Chinese. The fact that it shows 50/60Hz makes it appear as if it is intended to be a universal power supply. It is always possible that only the maximum voltage and not the voltage range was given and that the adapter would work fine at 120V. It is the potential danger that prevents me from recommending to just try it.

There appear to be two notes (warnings?) in Chinese on the label and the second of them is mentioning the voltage. It would be really interesting to hear what those notes say. Is anybody here able to read and translate those ?
A warning that this adapter is for use on 220V only would be a very clear indication against using in on 120V.
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Korean, but sorry I can't read it.
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i found the specs on it. »translate.google.com/translate?h···%3Dimvns 190V-240V.


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said by Mango:

I Googled 120V 24V 5A and found a bunch of them with the right plug, just not sure which one to pick.

As long as the voltages and DC plug match, the current output can be more than 5A. In fact, it will run cooler.

You could also plug in the original adapter to a suitable wattage 110V-220V transformer from your local The Source (former Radio Shack) or Walmart travel section.


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With the model number being "0120" it may even be rated for 120V and they just didn't bother to mention it since it was intended for overseas operation.



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said by SmokChsr:

With the model number being "0120" it may even be rated for 120V and they just didn't bother to mention it since it was intended for overseas operation.

That's what I thought but it turns out that 120 is watts (24V X 5A) and it is a straight 220 V supply.

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If in any doubt find a local electrical shop used by electricians (try a yellow book) and take along your adapter. In any case I think you are safer buying a new unit here.



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Looking at the specs it's rated 190-240V, 50/60Hz.
There are countries with 220-ish V and 60Hz (S Korea being one of them), so 60Hz is not an indication that it's meant for 120V/60Hz.
Will it work with 120V? Very likely, at least for a while. Will it get fried? There is a chance...
The safe approach would be to find an adapter rated for 120V.



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said by cowboyro:

The safe approach would be to find an adapter rated for 120V.

And the other approach would be just measure the voltage, if it's 24V plug in, then measure again under load. If it's still 24V, it will probably work.

For bonus points, one could hook up a scope and see if the output voltage is clean enough, and/or open up the adapter and check the PWM signal and the temperature of the switching transistor.

Personally, I think there's at least a 50% chance that it would work, partly depending on the actual load.
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