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voxframe

join:2010-08-02

Cable Nazis... Grab a tissue

This isn't my work, wish it was.

Stumbled across this and figured it was worth it for anyone (Myself included) who loves a nice cabling job.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY1XB0rr···=related


Yeah they used zip ties, but let's be honest, it works beautifully here and won't be a problem.


alphapointe
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join:2002-02-10
Columbia, MO
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God damn! That's AWESOME!

Someone takes GREAT pride in their work...



workablob

join:2004-06-09
Houston, TX
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reply to voxframe
Oh Sweet Clam!

Fap Fap Fap.

Nice post mate!

Dave



liht
Acryllicht

join:2000-07-11
Paradise Valley, AZ
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reply to voxframe
Some serious OCD going on there. Not a single cable overlapping another. All in a line. Perfectly spaced.
Either they ran one cable at a time, or they had TONS of time to do this. I'd love to know what company put that cabling in.
--
werd


cramer

join:2007-04-10
Raleigh, NC
kudos:7

reply to voxframe
Ok, now show us the rats nest on the other side of those patch panels.

(For the record, it's not difficult to do that, but it is tedious and time consuming. There are tools for pulling cable bundles like that.)


TheMG
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join:2007-09-04
Canada
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reply to voxframe
In a way, this reminds me of aircraft wiring, where all the wires have to be neatly bundled and routed, tied at specific intervals, observing proper bend radius, etc.



AMD Phreak
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Cell Tower
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reply to voxframe
Oh man that looks GOOD.

I can overlook the zip ties, based on workmanship.



LazMan
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join:2003-03-26
canada

reply to voxframe
Sad part it, 15 years ago, that wasn't impressive; that was just standard...

When I started as an installer at Nortel, there were rules about where stiches were placed on cable frames, how cables were run, etc. There was never a cross, a diver, a roll; it all looked like that. If your STRING rolled or crossed over, the quality man cut it all, and you did it again.

But we also used to get a year to build a new switch - it's done in 3 months now; and looks like shiz-nit. Anyways...

That said - that's some seriously good looking work. Someone should be proud!


cramer

join:2007-04-10
Raleigh, NC
kudos:7

said by LazMan:

Sad part it, 15 years ago, that wasn't impressive; that was just standard...

And they didn't use zip ties or velcro... it was all beautifully cable laced. Sadly, it's now a lost art. (just finding waxed twine is a pain.)


LazMan
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join:2003-03-26
canada

said by cramer:

And they didn't use zip ties or velcro... it was all beautifully cable laced. Sadly, it's now a lost art. (just finding waxed twine is a pain.)

Don't know about in the states - but lacing twine is still pretty easy to come by up here... Of course, finding someone that knows how to use it, that's a different story...

BTW - Lived in Raleigh back in '01 - working for Sprint up in Wake Forest... One of the nicest places I've ever been!

tomdlgns

join:2003-03-21
Chicago, IL

reply to cramer

said by cramer:

Ok, now show us the rats nest on the other side of those patch panels.

(For the record, it's not difficult to do that, but it is tedious and time consuming. There are tools for pulling cable bundles like that.)

post some of those tools you speak of.

that cabling job is nice.

cramer

join:2007-04-10
Raleigh, NC
kudos:7

Panduit Cable bundle organizing tool
aCom Tools Cable Comb™
Patch Panel Tools "Cable Dresser"
(etc.)

Panduit makes the best, IMO, but it's a lot to pay for a $2 hunk of nylon. It makes a beautiful hex bundle.

(I've been known to make my own... ugly and short lived, but it gets the job done for pennies.)



jmich
Premium
join:2001-08-28
Toms River, NJ

reply to voxframe
Very nice. Vendors are now saying that lacing and piping cable amplifies cross-talk potential and that random cabling is better for performance. Discuss.


tomdlgns

join:2003-03-21
Chicago, IL

with random cables going every direction there is less distance between them which means less of a chance for crosstalk.

when the cables are laying on top of e/o and touching, it allows for a greater chance of crosstalk

that is how i read that post.



alphapointe
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reply to jmich
Bollocks... If there is any more xtalk, it's a couple hundredths of a db. If this was a real problem, Bell wouldn't have done lacing, etc. for the past hundred years with no problems.


tomdlgns

join:2003-03-21
Chicago, IL

i agree. no matter what, someone will always argue the opposite.



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reply to tomdlgns
I think that's a lazy excuse because the installers are generally lazy.

The last job I worked in the field on, the data comm guys stopped and watched me several times while I laced. They never had seen it before. The electricians had seen it only in black and white photos while in trade schools. There was one hvac guy who had been around the block a few times in his days and he knew exactly what it was. He commented how good it was to see someone who still did that sort of work and it had been over 20 years since he'd seen it done.

There are a few of us who still do it. It is seriously time consuming but when your cabling has to be perfect, it's the only way.
--
"Saying something in another language that you don't think the other person understands is just saying that you're a pussy and are too afraid to say it in English." --Harddrive


cramer

join:2007-04-10
Raleigh, NC
kudos:7

reply to jmich
potential, yes. Reality, not so much. Cat6 has issues at 10G over longer runs, and yes, bundles amplify the problem. That's why there's a cat6A -- there will be no meaningful crosstalk at rated bandwidth over full 100m runs. (increased pair spacing, and thicker cable shell... voila the cables cannot get close enough to create a problem.)

If you're really worried about it, fork over the cash for shielded cable. For the record, I've only had to use shielded cable twice... once in a radio station, and once in a UL Labs test cage. (we still failed, btw.)



DarkLogix
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join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
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reply to alphapointe

said by alphapointe:

Bollocks... If there is any more xtalk, it's a couple hundredths of a db. If this was a real problem, Bell wouldn't have done lacing, etc. for the past hundred years with no problems.

If it were a problem then just use the unofficialy named CAT7 cable.

5 sheilds, 1 around each of the 4 pairs, and 1 over all 4 pairs, plus a proper STP RJ45 end not the normal UTP RJ45 that you normally see.

then with the shields grounded theres no chance of xtalk between cables.

However I'll say this phone lines 100 years ago were less likely to have issue with xtalk than gig or 10g over copper


DarkLogix
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Baytown, TX
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reply to cramer

said by cramer:

potential, yes. Reality, not so much. Cat6 has issues at 10G over longer runs, and yes, bundles amplify the problem. That's why there's a cat6A -- there will be no meaningful crosstalk at rated bandwidth over full 100m runs. (increased pair spacing, and thicker cable shell... voila the cables cannot get close enough to create a problem.)

If you're really worried about it, fork over the cash for shielded cable. For the record, I've only had to use shielded cable twice... once in a radio station, and once in a UL Labs test cage. (we still failed, btw.)

If you wanta go to the insane level then use CAT7 + 1 cable per steel conduit.

And if RF is still something to worry about go fiber.

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