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reply to Kardinal

Re: Vince Li faces review board

Health care is a provincial matter, not federal. The gun registry is completely and totally irrelevant to the situation.

Through fiscal transfers from the feds to the provinces...

»www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/finance/···-eng.php

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Health Canada is not responsible for the funding of Canada's health care system. The federal government provides funding to the provinces and territories for health care services through fiscal transfers.

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It's still irrelevant, because the provinces - if they do receive transfers, as there are many that do not - are the ones who determine the level of care provided to their residents. The feds have zero care in health care delivery other than meeting the minimum benchmarks as outlined in the Canada Health Act, and when I say minimum, they are very minimum.

AND getting rid of government waste will give government more money to allocate to services they deem important...

Right, but the gun registry has zero to do with any of that, since it's the provinces - not the federal government - that determine how the money is allocated to the services that they deem important.

BUT it gives the Feds more money to allocate to transfers...
AND reducing government waste at all levels is a good thing for the tax payer...

Perhaps you should re-read Kardinal's post....

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What are you suggesting the "give" should be? Mental health money, so that we can use it to build the prisons needed for a "tough on crime" stance you advocate so much?

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The Federal Minister of Justice Honourable Rob Nicholson is on the radio right now being interviewed news957.com and he said Canadians are lobbying government to review the NCR issue and have the law rewritten to reflect public concern...

I found this on the government website...

»canada.justice.gc.ca/eng/news-no···743.html

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OTTAWA, May 16, 2012 — The Honourable Rob Nicholson, P.C., Q.C., M.P. for Niagara Falls, Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada today made the following statement regarding the law that applies to persons found Not Criminally Responsible:

"Canadians have expressed concerns with respect to the risks that may be posed by persons who are found to be Not Criminally Responsible. They are worried that those who have committed very serious and violent acts and who represent a threat to the community may be released onto our streets.

"Our government believes that public safety must always come first.

"We are working to obtain support from the provinces and territories to ensure that the protection of society is the paramount consideration for review panels looking at these cases.

"I have also instructed my officials to examine the applicable law and identify any necessary changes. They will report back to me at the earliest opportunity.

"Our government will continue to work in the interest of victims and law-abiding Canadians so that our streets and communities are safe places for people to live, raise their families and do business."

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reply to Gone

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Carol de Delley doesn't want Vince Li executed. She doesn't think the man who killed her son four years ago should be treated inhumanely at all. She's not part of the baying crowd who think Li should be tossed into a regular prison, into a dungeon, onto the next flight back to China.

She wants him treated well within the confines of a secure mental-health facility. She wants that to happen for the rest of his natural life.

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"I'm not fear-mongering. It's (the calls for violence against Li) that are frightening. I have nothing but empathy and sympathy for people who are suffering from a mental illness," the 51-year-old said Friday afternoon.
But empathy goes only so far. If you're a killer, she doesn't care about your backstory.

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Evidently I understand this better than you, because even the very stuff you quoted shows that Mclean's mother wants Li to be sentenced to life in confinement for an act he was not culpable in committing, rather than letting trained medical professionals determine his risk to the community and his treatment plan.

Incarceration and confinement is about rehabilitation and correction to the point where someone will not re-offend, not punishment and revenge and keeping them locked up forever because we can't bare to deal with them. Seeing as how Vince Li wasn't culpable for the act he committed, there's really nothing to rehabilitate or correct other than medical issues, just like doctors are working to correct your prostate cancer. If one keeps this at the front of their mind when discussing this situation, they'd know just how wrong Tim's Law is.

"If you're a killer, she doesn't care about your backstory" pretty much sums up that, for her, it's all about punishment and revenge. It is for you too, apparently.

If you have objections then contact the Honourable Rob Nicholson as he said on the radio he is looking into NCR due to public pressure...

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reply to DKS

reply to Gone

And where does the provincial funding come from.... It comes from the federal government via transfer payments... Money that comes from taxpayers...

The pot of money the federal government has is not limitless...not having to spend a shit load of money on a gun registry allows that money to be diverted elsewhere...

This has been discussed many times on this forum in gun registry threads...

From Health Canada... (I posted this earlier but you must not have seen it)...

»www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/finance/···-eng.php

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Health Canada is not responsible for the funding of Canada's health care system. The federal government provides funding to the provinces and territories for health care services through fiscal transfers.

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And, again, we come back to the comprehensive disconnect I mentioned earlier.

Only a portion - about 20% to be exact - of a province's health care costs are funded by the federal government as per the Canada Health Act, and this is adjusted yearly based on GDP, inflation and a number of other factors, though the current health care accord is due to expire in 2014 when it will most likely be reduced in the name of federal austerity. The rest - 80% (you know, 100 minus 20 = 80) - comes from the provinces - provinces that never implemented a gun registry on their own.

So, having now been educated on how health care is funded in Canada and been given the PROPER CONTEXT for that Health Canada quote you keep throwing around, will you give this gun registry bullshit a rest? It's beneath even you.