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Re: Who likes Cinnamon? said by El Quintron:said by FiReSTaRT:Give Lubuntu a try though. Pretty slick and compact.
It's a pretty powerful machine... but I haven't tried Lubuntu yet. Is it similar to Openbox on Crunchbang? No. Openbox (Crunchbang runs Openbox) starts off very simplistic and minimalist. It can be, quickly, turned into a workhorse. Openbox can run from next-to-no resources needed to full-all-out battery murderer. Openbox's design goals are to remove the desktop environment without sacrificing windows/full screen frameworks for applications. Openbox's goals are to do this with the utmost performance and compatibility. It just so happens that removing that desktop environment to have Openbox uses a shit ton less resources...
Lubuntu uses LXDE.
LXDE is a desktop environment. It's design goals are to use the least amount of resources, always. Performance can suffer under these goals. However, LXDE is designed for hardware that benefits more than it can hurt or for lightweight usage that wouldn't stress the DE to the point where performance gain/loss is noticed.
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| said by markofmayhem:LXDE is a desktop environment. It's design goals are to use the least amount of resources, always. Performance can suffer under these goals. However, LXDE is designed for hardware that benefits more than it can hurt or for lightweight usage that wouldn't stress the DE to the point where performance gain/loss is noticed.
So not the right type of DE for a Q6700 with 8 GBs of RAM...
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| said by El Quintron:said by markofmayhem:LXDE is a desktop environment. It's design goals are to use the least amount of resources, always. Performance can suffer under these goals. However, LXDE is designed for hardware that benefits more than it can hurt or for lightweight usage that wouldn't stress the DE to the point where performance gain/loss is noticed.
So not the right type of DE for a Q6700 with 8 GBs of RAM... It can be, sure! It won't degrade performance within applications. But don't expect it to be zippy if you force a 3D transparency included integrated desktop window, like Conky  If you are just looking for a simple file manager, menu/app launcher in Windows 95 style with a clock/taskbar, and a few low resource media players/doc readers: LXDE is fantastic. If you want social/information integration into the desktop with heuristic, semantic, and gestured actions (especially with direct feedback): go elsewhere.
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| said by rexbinary:There are people that desire this? Tons... When the DE style changed from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3, panic hit. People no longer could function in life without the "start" menu on one side, clock with notifications on the other, and running applications on a bar between.
It is happening again between Win 7 and Win 8.
Windows 95, in case it has been forgotten:
17 years of the same desktop environment with rampage and terror upon any mention of change deviating from it.
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said by markofmayhem:17 years of the same desktop environment with rampage and terror upon any mention of change deviating from it.
(Somewhat) guilty as charged. I mostly re-taught myself to use computers on a Mac in 2003... my biggest complaint with Unity (and what little I know of Gnome 3) is not being able to "see" all apps you have installed.
I think that if the folks who design these things would take that into consideration there may be less backlash with subsequent DE re-incarnations.
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| said by El Quintron:said by markofmayhem:17 years of the same desktop environment with rampage and terror upon any mention of change deviating from it.
(Somewhat) guilty as charged. I mostly re-taught myself to use computers on a Mac in 2003... my biggest complaint with Unity (and what little I know of Gnome 3) is not being able to "see" all apps you have installed. I think that if the folks who design these things would take that into consideration there may be less backlash with subsequent DE re-incarnations. Agree. The new stuff isn't always "better". I specifically do not subscribe to the "new is better". However some of it has been opposed based only on "it's different".
Sometimes, I feel like I'm running uphill, just to realize I'm trying to fit the new into the elder mold. It usually requires more work in the new to make it function like the old. Every once-in-a-while, I'll "learn" how the new was intended to be used and see that it is, in fact, easier to use. Sometimes it is NOT!
Instructions to see all installed apps in Unity
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| Thanks for that link.
Other than that I don't suppose you know how to make the taskbar more customizable?
I installed the app to get the system monitor in it, but I'm hoping the re-instate some kind of flexibility with the taskbar.
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said by El Quintron:So not the right type of DE for a Q6700 with 8 GBs of RAM...
Lol if I had that sorta scratch, I would have never experimented with XFCE/Cinnamon on my main machine or with LXDE on my virtual machine (ok, that might have still been a possibility, but not if I had like 16GB lol). I was OK with GNOME Shell with MGSE, some other extensions and a whole lot of work that went into customizing it to feel like Cinnamon :P
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| said by FiReSTaRT:Lol if I had that sorta scratch, I would have never experimented with XFCE/Cinnamon on my main machine or with LXDE on my virtual machine
I built this sucker to replace an old Mac, which cost me a small fortune at the time... but to it's credit it lasted me ~6 years... but when HD became ubiquitous the Mac was hopelessly out of date.
So this became my new go-to machine...
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| said by El Quintron:I built this sucker to replace an old Mac, which cost me a small fortune at the time... but to it's credit it lasted me ~6 years... but when HD became ubiquitous the Mac was hopelessly out of date.
So this became my new go-to machine...
In this context I meant hardware scratch. I have 4 gigs and I need to virtualize for work. This lappy's pushin' 4 years.. Had to replace the keyboard, but that's about it. Don't have a valid reason to upgrade.
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| said by FiReSTaRT:Don't have a valid reason to upgrade.
Fair enough, but from what I understand you're splitting the RAM between the virtualization and your OS, making a good case for a low-resource desktop?
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| said by El Quintron:said by FiReSTaRT:Don't have a valid reason to upgrade.
Fair enough, but from what I understand you're splitting the RAM between the virtualization and your OS, making a good case for a low-resource desktop? Exactly.. Hence the virtual machine switch to Lubuntu once Maverick reached EOL. But even when I wasn't virtualizing, the fan was coming on more often under Xfce, not to mention GNOME Shell.
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| said by FiReSTaRT:Exactly.. Hence the virtual machine switch to Lubuntu once Maverick reached EOL. But even when I wasn't virtualizing, the fan was coming on more often under Xfce, not to mention GNOME Shell.
Make sure you check that your system isn't overheating, I remember going through that once, where I though everything was hunky-dory because the fan wasn't going on, and then I discovered the fan driver wasn't compatible, and required some hand-coding, or just letting my system overheat 
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