Whats the going salary for my job description?

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mechew join:2012-05-13 New York, NY	Whats the going salary for my job description? I currently manage my companies network and just about all their IT. Its just me, our network spans 6 buildings, 3 datacenters, and has about 500 devices connected in each building. Each building has a p2p link to each datacenter for redundancy. I also have about 10 servers to manage for the companies 150+ employees. Any IT complaint goes to me initially where I'm the one to resolve it. I'm the only one, not even a L1 tech to filter out the small stuff. I'm in NYC and I have to cover 3 timezones and be available for any issue 24/7. What would you think my position should be paid (yearly salary)? If you knew the all of this work would double in the next 8 months how much would you expect to make when that happens? I'm only asking because I intend to ask for a raise and use your responses for evaluating what I want and what I should get. Thanks
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LLigetfa join:2006-05-15 Fort Frances, ON kudos:1	Well... if you had used the TLA PtP (point to point) instead of p2p (peer to peer), I would have said between $80K and $100K.
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Edrick I aspire to tell the story of a lifetime Premium join:2004-09-11 Woburn, MA	reply to mechew 175k. Realistically I don't know what the going wage is but if you want me to handle that all alone that's what im asking. Apparently your company doesn't value you nor efficiency if you have to do all that alone.
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mozerd Light Will Pierce The Darkness Premium,MVM join:2004-04-23 Nepean, ON	reply to mechew said by mechew: I currently manage my companies network and just about all their IT. Its just me, our network spans 6 buildings, 3 datacenters, and has about 500 devices connected in each building. Each building has a p2p link to each datacenter for redundancy. I also have about 10 servers to manage for the companies 150+ employees. I'm in NYC and I have to cover 3 timezones and be available for any issue 24/7. What would you think my position should be paid (yearly salary)? If you knew the all of this work would double in the next 8 months before doubling $125k after doubling $200K -- David Mozer IT-Expert on Call Information Technology for Home and Business
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cdru Go Colts Premium,MVM join:2003-05-14 Fort Wayne, IN kudos:7	reply to mechew said by mechew: What would you think my position should be paid (yearly salary)? If you knew the all of this work would double in the next 8 months how much would you expect to make when that happens? You live in NYC and manage 1500 devices in 6 buildings, 3 data centers, 150 employees handling all the help desk across the country around the clock. By yourself. And your work load might double in the next 8 months. It doesn't matter what you should be paid because no (realistic) salary would be appropriate compensation. IMHO, it would be like asking God what his salary should be for the work he does.
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JohnInSJ Premium join:2003-09-22 San Jose, CA Reviews: ·PHONE POWER ·Comcast	reply to mechew hit up »www.glassdoor.com, and find out what other people make doing similar jobs. IT Manager jobs (I guess you are the manager, you manage yourself) are 65-143K in NYC, with the average at $108k Sr. IT engineers actually come in about $25k higher for average salary. -- My place : »www.schettino.us
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mechew join:2012-05-13 New York, NY	I know how to look up a salary by job title. I was asking because I think my job title "IT Guy" doesn't adequately describe my actual work load. I think the size of our IT and complexity would warrant a higher salary for any position let alone it all falling on my shoulders. Hence the reason I'm here to get suggestions from people in the field. thanks.
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JohnInSJ Premium join:2003-09-22 San Jose, CA Reviews: ·PHONE POWER ·Comcast	said by mechew: I think the size of our IT and complexity would warrant a higher salary for any position let alone it all falling on my shoulders. Everyone thinks this, it's ok. If you're not being paid the top of the range for IT Manager or IT Engineer, that would be the minimum target IMHO. Perhaps instead of asking for a raise, you should ask for headcount? -- My place : »www.schettino.us
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Nightfall My Goal Is To Deny Yours Premium,MVM join:2001-08-03 Grand Rapids, MI Reviews: ·Comcast ·Callcentric ·Site5.com	said by JohnInSJ: said by mechew: I think the size of our IT and complexity would warrant a higher salary for any position let alone it all falling on my shoulders. Everyone thinks this, it's ok. If you're not being paid the top of the range for IT Manager or IT Engineer, that would be the minimum target IMHO. Perhaps instead of asking for a raise, you should ask for headcount? This! A good IT manager will be able to step in and assess the situation. Then, he will make a recommendation based on the options in front of him. When you mention all these users you have to support, in a 24/7 environment, with all the different devices, and you have no headcount, I have to question why you haven't made a recommendation to your superiors. Either that, or you have made a recommendation and your superiors don't want to go down that road. Case in point, I took over an IT department last year in July. When I did, there was only one other IT person. He was supporting all the computers and some of the network. The IT Manager was in charge of supporting the high functions of the network, servers, and so on. With 9 different facilities, it was a challenge to maintain everything with 2 people while still making a dent in projects. I made a recommendation to the executive team, and now I have a team of 3 people. We have 1 dedicated to help desk, another that is an intern and goes between network and help desk, and then a guy who was here when I got here that does all higher network functions. That leaves me to do project management and also assist with technical things as needed. -- My domain - Nightfall.net
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mechew join:2012-05-13 New York, NY	reply to JohnInSJ Its "ok"? No offense but 3 datacenters, 6 buildings, linked with redundant gig p2p's, 2 bgp uplinks in each datacenter, each building has 400 vlans. I have 80 AP's in each building and a total 9 cisco 6513's and 14 6509's. We spend about $200k/mo on IT in some way or another. I think its a bit more than "ok".
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medbuyer join:2003-11-20 kudos:4	reply to mechew sounds like he's paid less than 100k / year and wants a good job title....not just the "IT" guy... what type of industry does your company fall into?
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mechew join:2012-05-13 New York, NY	I actually just want IT guy + more money. When I worked for my own company I just called myself a project manager not ceo. I'm here because I was offered $60k with a 1 year contract. That contract meant no raise for a year which currently wasn't enough let alone when its 2x larger 8 months from now. I declined and said I would get back to them with a counter offer. And yes that means I make less than $60k currently. I would say the company falls into the hospitality industry.
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JohnInSJ Premium join:2003-09-22 San Jose, CA Reviews: ·PHONE POWER ·Comcast	reply to mechew said by mechew: Its "ok"? No offense but 3 datacenters, 6 buildings, linked with redundant gig p2p's, 2 bgp uplinks in each datacenter, each building has 400 vlans. I have 80 AP's in each building and a total 9 cisco 6513's and 14 6509's. We spend about $200k/mo on IT in some way or another. I think its a bit more than "ok". No offense taken, I'm just trying to help. It's OK that you think the way you do. I am sure you are doing an awesome job. There is also no doubt in my mind whatsoever that you need about three more people, at least two shifts if not three, and that your company isn't interested in doing this as long as you're able to do it, alone, for whatever they pay you. So yeah, it's OK to think the way you do. But don't kid yourself - if you're happy to burn yourself out providing awesome service for this company by yourself until you drop, they'll be happy to take it. Then they'll get the next hero to step in... and so on. -- My place : »www.schettino.us
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Nightfall My Goal Is To Deny Yours Premium,MVM join:2001-08-03 Grand Rapids, MI Reviews: ·Comcast ·Callcentric ·Site5.com	reply to mechew said by mechew: I actually just want IT guy + more money. When I worked for my own company I just called myself a project manager not ceo. I'm here because I was offered $60k with a 1 year contract. That contract meant no raise for a year which currently wasn't enough let alone when its 2x larger 8 months from now. I declined and said I would get back to them with a counter offer. And yes that means I make less than $60k currently. I would say the company falls into the hospitality industry. Advice for you.... Get the title. If you just are "IT Guy", you will find it harder to get a job later. At least if you have Network Engineer or Infrastructure Manager, your transition will be easier. As for you getting more money, I think its important for you to justify that as well. That means taking a long good look at everything you are supporting, what your hours are like now, how long it takes you to do everything, and so on. Show how other people in the industry are getting paid in the area. In short, if you come armed and prepared for the meeting, you will be in much better shape to ask for what you want. Another thing you could do is to ask for more manpower. Would your job be better if you had 2-3 people instead of just you? -- My domain - Nightfall.net
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mechew join:2012-05-13 New York, NY	My experience in applying for a job has been I can call my previous positions anything I want. Title. I don't want more man power until we're closer to that doubling size later this year. I have a system and right now I'm extremely efficient. I've had a few jobs before and I've never found anyone that ever worked out. In my experience most people are lazy and incompetent and that's only going to create more work for me. I don't work 24/7 but with staff in NY/TX/CA I get alerts at 11pm some times that if I ignore people will come in the next day to no internet. I really just want more money. I honestly don't do anything but work so it'll just get saved but I'm at the point in my life where I justify what I do with how much I make. I'm past the point where I did things just to be able to say "I've done that".
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mechew join:2012-05-13 New York, NY	reply to JohnInSJ Yea not kidding myself that's why I'm here to get advice on what my workload should pay. I'm hardly burning myself into the ground. I enjoy working, takes my mind off other things. I just realize I've saved this company millions of dollars and doing a job not just anyone can walk in and take over and I want some recondition, mainly in compensation, to continue. I'll be honest when I was in the meeting and offered $60k I wanted to just walk out but I knew I'd get sued so I'd rather just request a salary I like that you guys agree with. If they don't take it I'll be sure to tell you guys the employer so you can apply if you like.
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medbuyer join:2003-11-20 kudos:4	reply to mechew If I were you, I'd ask for 150k above.... With what you're telling us, justification for that kind of salary should be easy. BUT then again, its the hospitality industry... 60k is way too low IMO.
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bdnhsv join:2012-01-20 Huntsville, AL	reply to mechew mechew - do you have any industry certifications? If so, that might be a good way to start benchmarking the going rate in your area. If you don't have any certifications then maybe you could strike a deal with your employer to pay for you to obtain some as part of a new agreement, and then later if they didn't want to pay you an appropriate rate you might have more employment options because of having those credentials. A CCNP with the kind of experience you sound like you have can command some pretty lucrative compensation in most parts of the country.
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mechew join:2012-05-13 New York, NY	I have a few, ccna, jncip, itil, and a few older microsoft certs they renamed. I already got a pretty good idea what everyone thinks, thanks for that. But my goal was to get a salary quote for my job description not my qualifications mainly because of how wide spread my tasks are. I'm not just running the network here so I wouldn't really accept a comparison to what a ccna/ccnp makes, nor would a system admin really quality. Unless of course you're going to add up the going rate for all my certs . I'd love to argue in favor of that in my next meeting.
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bdnhsv join:2012-01-20 Huntsville, AL	mechew - I hear what you're saying and wish you the best. I think you'd maybe best served to reference your certs as that's something your employer can verify in terms of market value. Also be ready for them to have some arbitrary % increase maximum in mind. I've never seen a company that was willing to double or triple the salary of an existing employee - anyone wanting those kinds of increases almost always have to leave for another company. Maybe it'll work for you in your situation, but you might want to start preparing yourself for that sort of a possibility as well.
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