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 nitzguyPremium
join:2002-07-11
Sudbury, ON
 ·TekSavvy DSL
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Re: is Teksavvy going to have access to these upload speeds? said by InvalidError:said by Guspaz:It's not clear on what for, though. Except for the 5 vs 6/7 stuff, Bell normally updates their wholesale customers at the same time as retail, and this is the first time Bell has done this big of a change in a long time. By eliminating the 10/12/16Mbps ADSL2+ tiers, they are forcing mid-range tiers on VDSL2 for new subscribers... which means more modem rental charges to ISPs! This also takes care of some people's complaints about the $3.75/month 7Mbps upload option by making it no longer optional. There's no VDSL2 in my area...I didn't qualify for Fibe 25/7, but I did qualify for ADSL2 16/1 and 12/1....so I don't see how they'd have any modem rental charges..
What I see here is just a bundling of all of the tiers into 1 price point...that's all. You get 10...oh well, you get 12, oh well, you get 15...oh well, probably also allows them to charge more for someone who might not get 16, but could get 15 no problem....
So yeah, I don't see it as a force to VDSL2....I just see it as a grouping into 1 price point... | |
| said by nitzguy:What I see here is just a bundling of all of the tiers into 1 price point...that's all. You get 10...oh well, you get 12, oh well, you get 15...oh well, probably also allows them to charge more for someone who might not get 16, but could get 15 no problem... What you may (or not) be eligible for today is irrelevant, the point I was trying to make is about what you may no longer be eligible for.
If Bell is axing all ADSL2 tiers except 5/1 and moving everything else above that to VDSL2, new subscribers might end up stuck on either 5M/800 legacy or 5/1 FTTN where VDSL2 is not available since Bell would no longer be required to offer wholesale ADSL2 to new wholesale subscribers if they stop providing it to their own new subscribers.
That's why I said this might be a strategy to force more wholesale subscribers on VDSL2 with associated modem rentals. | |
grunze510
join:2009-02-14
Cote Saint-Luc, QC
kudos:1 | said by InvalidError:said by nitzguy:What I see here is just a bundling of all of the tiers into 1 price point...that's all. You get 10...oh well, you get 12, oh well, you get 15...oh well, probably also allows them to charge more for someone who might not get 16, but could get 15 no problem... What you may (or not) be eligible for today is irrelevant, the point I was trying to make is about what you may no longer be eligible for. If Bell is axing all ADSL2 tiers except 5/1 and moving everything else above that to VDSL2, new subscribers might end up stuck on either 5M/800 legacy or 5/1 FTTN where VDSL2 is not available since Bell would no longer be required to offer wholesale ADSL2 to new wholesale subscribers if they stop providing it to their own new subscribers. That's why I said this might be a strategy to force more wholesale subscribers on VDSL2 with associated modem rentals. If you look at the 15/10 Mbit/s page, they say download ranges from 10-15 Mbit/s and upload ranges from 680Kbit/s to 10Mbit/s, so I think they'll still offer a 15/1 Mbit/s ADSL2+ package for some areas. Maybe GAS ISPs will be able to purposely choose 15/1 even where 15/10 and 25/10 are available. | | |
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nitzguyPremium
join:2002-07-11
Sudbury, ON Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL
| said by grunze510:said by InvalidError:said by nitzguy:What I see here is just a bundling of all of the tiers into 1 price point...that's all. You get 10...oh well, you get 12, oh well, you get 15...oh well, probably also allows them to charge more for someone who might not get 16, but could get 15 no problem... What you may (or not) be eligible for today is irrelevant, the point I was trying to make is about what you may no longer be eligible for. If Bell is axing all ADSL2 tiers except 5/1 and moving everything else above that to VDSL2, new subscribers might end up stuck on either 5M/800 legacy or 5/1 FTTN where VDSL2 is not available since Bell would no longer be required to offer wholesale ADSL2 to new wholesale subscribers if they stop providing it to their own new subscribers. That's why I said this might be a strategy to force more wholesale subscribers on VDSL2 with associated modem rentals. If you look at the 15/10 Mbit/s page, they say download ranges from 10-15 Mbit/s and upload ranges from 680Kbit/s to 10Mbit/s, so I think they'll still offer a 15/1 Mbit/s ADSL2+ package for some areas. Maybe GAS ISPs will be able to purposely choose 15/1 even where 15/10 and 25/10 are available. My point exactly. Bell isn't going to cut off their nose to spite their face...even if it sounds like that's what they would do. The ADSL2+ tiers aren't disappearing, they're just being bundled into 1 price point, I think you're paranoid at this point that its going to be VDSL2 and rental modems...trust me you think Bell enjoys carrying all that money in inventory and the cost to potentially ship and track it all? Hell no. The lousy $8/month they receive isn't worth their cost I'm sure it will take them 3+ years to get their investment back on the modem and by then the depreciation on the modem itself and getting the modem returned? Trust me, ALL headaches. Headaches Bell doesn't want to deal with.
So the thought of them doing this to screw the competition that holds maybe 10% share total between all of them...isn't worth it...otherwise they would have made the modem rental $20/month...and put it in the tariff...and then you would see TSI and another associated IISPs who use their network roll that cost in rather than breaking it out...I'm not sure why they decided to break it out anyways...everyone has to rent it...if it comes to a point where they don't have to, then OFFER it to become a rental at $8/mth or purchase for XX...but...it seems to be a sticking point where TSI just doesn't want to do it....again makes no sense to me...
But getting back OT, Bell going to 2 price points, notice that "Essential Plus" has disappeared, that's more interesting than this whole 25/10 nonsense...I wonder if Bell will pull it out of the tariff now that it doesn't provide it, itself and leave 1 price point regardless of what speed you can connect at (in regards to speed matching)...that's what I'd say to that.... | |
| said by nitzguy:I wonder if Bell will pull it out of the tariff now that it doesn't provide it Since Bell eliminated their legacy tier, I am expecting a R&V to remove it from tariffs at some point in the not-so-distant future.
There are many perverse effects to all the repercussions if it plays out the way I think it might.
To that, you have to remember that there may yet be many other upward rate adjustments from all the cost adjustments that were being disputed before DSLR crashed. | |
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