reply to The Limit
said by The Limit:Can you explain why they're NOT consumer friendly?
And overage charges are consumer friendly? Can you go a little more in depth as to the reasoning behind this statement? Common sense man, would you rather have a slower uncapped connection, and pay for it once per month, or pay via double dipping? Look at our friends in Canada. That's where we are moving towards.
Of course everyone would like free/unlimited. That's not the point. All data plans have limits of some kind, and they're getting more so since streaming video and torrenting have gone mainstream.
The point I raised is would a consumer rather have a hard cap (cut off after a certain amount), or a tiered plan where they can choose to spend more to get more. Karl picks (a), I don't see the logic. What are you doing, protecting stupid people from doing stupid things? That's consumer friendly? I WANT to be able to buy what I want, not be prevented by some hard cap plan.
Oh I get it. The ISPs are stupidly ignoring an amazing money making opportunity that requires upfront investment. You must be talking about fiber everywhere. "The obvious right thing to do if only those IDIOTS would LISTEN." Please go see Verizon FIOS and how they are getting overtaken by AT&T U-verse, not to mention cable DOCSIS 3.0, both copper to the premise based, because FIOS insisted on FTTH only rather than a HFC or FTTN approach, incurring huge upfront costs that did not result in any better uptake than the copper-first ISPs.
I didn't say that there was anything wrong with making money, but halting a potential gold mine investment in favor of immediate turns is one of the main issues with public investment. I realize that corporations have to look out for their investors. I get it, I'm not saying that is terrible to do, in fact corporations MUST look out for their investors.
Again, unless you are streaming video (the most common overage reason) or torrenting, or running essentially a business out of your home, 99.9% of users will never hit anything close to 10GB.
Apparently I am not the only one here that thinks $10 a gigabyte is "too expensive", not to mention, when people out in said boonies sign up for this service and bills start coming in. There are still quite a few people who do not even know how much a gigabyte is, so how in the world are they going to be able to adequately monitor usage unless someone educates them? After a bill shock or two?
Plus, every plan I've seen gives users warnings and "no charge this month but if you do it again" type statements.
Read any of the utilization reports on wireless. Look back in the news sections here, look for my comments. It's just obvious that what I'm saying is true. Also look in this very thread for reports from someone who actually runs a small ISP.
I want to see some factual evidence based on your claims, because you are the one making the generalizations and statements that "ALL USERS NEED THIS MUCH DATA, THEY DON'T NEED TO STREAM, YADA YADA YADA, I KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR THEM" attitude.
nope not worth my time especially when you pretend obvious facts are untrue and need "proof". Try living in reality.
So many things that you are stating that I said, and never did to begin with. Go back and read what I said, five times, and instead of reading it with a bias, read it with an objective view.
In what way is it not "good"? they used to not have broadband. Now they will. They can decide whether the capability offered, price, and terms of the offering are worth it to them. America! Fuck Yeah!
I would rather this venture of Verizon's to be the good for those who can't afford to move, and live in the boonies.
I suspect that you are one of those people who believes that you need to not just reject an offering because you don't want it, but you need to force everyone else to not be able to choose that offering because you think it's "wrong" somehow.
No, never said that. That's not even in the discussion.
You assume that people can just pick up and move to a better place, when in reality most people can't afford to do this.