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Re: [MoP] Dev Watercooler - Mists of Pandaria Looting Explained

Honestly, if total loot vacuuming is the only thing keeping "raiders" from using LFR, then I won't really miss the contributions. I'd rather wipe & eventually get a shot at stepping stone raiding gear than to keep being 99.999% screwed for loot all the time.

However, from a raider min/max standpoint, it seems kinda silly to give up an opportunity for easy "odd piece filler", simply because you can't stay in total control of the loot distribution system.

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reply to Immer
Correctamundo senor!

I feel like it this system will significantly reduce everyone's chance for getting gear in LFR worse than it already is.

right now. what 4 items are picked from a loot table...If a peice matches your spec. you either can roll need or not... but you end up rolling against a set amount of people. if it's tier it's usually 6-9. it could be less could be more. If it's not tier your rolling against even less most of the time.

if you're a tank your rolling against one other person for non-teir with very good odds or guarenteed peices like sheilds or plate items when tanking with a druid.

heals have it just as good with plate/mail/leather/cloth healing peices. your probably rolling against just a few other healers of your armor class.

If there is 8 peices of gear that you could need from a boss out of a total of lets say 30 peices that the boss could drop. Also lets say you have to roll against like 8 other people. Your chances of getting a peice are 1/25 ~4% with the new way VS 8/30*1/8~3.3% to just get a piece the old way.

The problem is getting a peice when you only need a certain peice. It doesn't take into account people that have some gear. Everyone is saying well everyone is rolling need even if they don't need it. People roll need i'm not disputing that... I'm sure not everyone is. Also, most people arent' keeping the peice that they don't need. I know i've never done that. I'd say they majority of people aren't keeping what they needed on if they were doing it for trade or whatever.

so basicly this new system will be great at first... but within a few weeks. you'll have less of a chance to get gear than you did under the new system. pretty much the first half of all the gear you need out of LFR will be much easier to get than the second half.

I agree that it's most likely an over-correction. The honorable players (whose voices are not the loudest) will simply have to continue acting honorably while accepting that the new system is slightly worse for the player base overall, but at least the squeaky wheel is lubed "for the time being".

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reply to Ramikor
The only reason I've done LFR on my main was to fill in my shoulder tier 384 for my 4piece bonus, over a 378 non-tier. I brought in every dk/druid/mage/rogue that was willing to give the token to me to use on my main. This is similar to how H-DW world first guild geared up their mains by filling 24 other slots with alts and running the raid 25 times a week.

Taking into consideration how laughable some of the mechanics are (or aren't because they are completely removed from an encounter) during LFR, I won't even do it to "learn" an encounter.

I'm not saying that "nobody else in the world will run LFR if they are a current content raider." I'm saying I wont do it to gear myself. I'm still all about keeping other people from competing against a guildy of mine. If I happen to win a roll, woot. But I always go into LFR expecting not to get loot.

You will find my alts in LFR, out of shear boredom; VP capping or whatnot.

TL:DR the change still doesn't cause me concern.
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reply to Venom1

Question on this...

Trinkets/rings/necks/cloaks/etc.... What does blizz classify stats for specific roles/classes?

Trinkets are flagged for healing or DPS only, with appropriate class concerns for caster trinkets vs strength vs agil. Note that this doesn't stop enhancement shamans winning caster trinkets, because the system can only class and role, not spec. DPS? check. Shaman (ele supposedly)? check. Druids also have the same issue.

Jewelry with spirit are flagged for DPS and healers. That's because spirit is useful for spriests, druids, and shaman DPS. But, as above, cat druids and ret pallies will also get a roll bonus, because DPS? check. Paladin? check.

Jewelry with int and hit are flagged for DPS only.

They haven't specifically clarified if this problem will change in MOP, with your actual spec taken into account. That runs into the problem of "what spec are you actually playing as?"

Agi/Stam rings are good for tanking. Or are they only going to give me parry cloaks and shit as a Feral Tanking Druid.

Agil rings are flagged for tank and DPS roles, druid class (and hunter, rogue, and shaman). So your moonkins and ele shamans can get a roll bonus on agil rings, but your plate tanks will not (edit: because you need to match class AND role to get a roll bonus/eligibility).

Druids do not get a roll bonus on strength tank rings, nor would you want one.

Cloaks would work the same way (in the DS tier, cloaks are only available as VP purchases).

reply to Nick D
Discussing all this with Ant got me thinking.

I'm not sure what the MOP loot tables will shunt over to people in regards to this. Say a boss drops leather caster wrists and an agil ring. Will it prefer to give a balance specced druid the wrists? Or is it a crapshoot? How would it know if you're a "balance specced" druid? Snapshot at time of kill?

There's a major problem with the above scenario:
Your two specs: feral and resto. You queue as a DPS, but you're in your resto spec. Queue pops, you enter, start to respec, but some idgit pulls the boss, so you are stuck in resto for the duration. Boss dies. What's your spec for loot?

If its still just based on role and class, you'll get DPS druid loot. But it can't know that you want feral gear now, so you get either caster wrists or the agil ring based on chance. If it DOES know what spec you are ... you're resto. Do you suddenly end up with a healing trinket?

o_O

My assumption is that you get random chance, and being a hybrid-geared DPS will suck :\ at least tier pieces work for any spec you choose.

Right?

Nick,
I think you have some misunderstandings about the new loot system. First off - the boss doesn't drop anything - when the boss is killed, the system will do an internal roll, and based on the highest X number of rolls, those people will get loot. At that point, based on your assigned role in LFR (tank, heals, dps you chose at start) the computer will choose you something from the predefined "list" for your spec/class. If you're a guardian druid, you might have 4 possible drops from that boss, you'll get one of those at random. You can use the new tokens from dailies to get a second (albeit smaller) chance at loot. There is zero competition against other players, and nothing is tradeable.

I'm not talking about others "taking" my loot or whatever. I'm talking about eligibility on items (my term for this, I guess).

Right now, eligibility on an item determines if you get a roll bonus.

In MOP, eligibility on an item determines whether or not you can get the item from the boss's loot table when you "win" (winning to be defined later).

What I'm afraid is going to happen is my ele shaman is going to win a bunch of agil gear I don't want. Right now, this eligibility problem causes the opposite issue: ele shamans winning a bunch of gear my hunter wants.

reply to clawfury
Also I will continue to think of bosses as dropping items. Except now it drops its entire loot table every time

reply to Nick D
In a clarification post they said they will be able to look at your spec. Because LFR as it is now is based on class and not class/spec combo you can't compare the two.

MIST LFR will do a (1-25) roll. 4 people win. Those 4 people will receive an item they can use based on their Spec-aplicable loot table. No INT items to a Enh, no AGI to an Ele.

"The game automatically decides who won some loot, and gives those players a spec-appropriate item." From GC.
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