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Re: Wasting more $$$ where was this "nsa" before 9-11? This is all post 9-11 stuff. It's all infringing on our freedoms and rights. |
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 phxmarkWhat Country Are We Living In?
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Glendale, AZ | said by mikedz4:where was this "nsa" before 9-11? This is all post 9-11 stuff. It's all infringing on our freedoms and rights.
We have no freedoms or rights in this country since the new dictator took over. |
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 vpokoPremium
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Boston, MA | I've got some news for you, the new dictator has been doing more of the same thing as the last several dictators. Certainly there was a post 9/11 executive power grab but that mostly happened under Bush. Not that it wouldn't have happened under Clinton or Obama, it's just when the opportunity presented itself. |
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said by mikedz4:where was this "nsa" before 9-11? This is all post 9-11 stuff. It's all infringing on our freedoms and rights.
Before 9/11? Definitely not.
They've been snooping even before, the technologies and methodologies were not just as advanced.
In the morning of 9/11, before the second tower was attacked, I sent out a text message to my sister (who lives overseas) informing her about what happened to the WTC. In a matter of a few minutes, I got a mysterious call. Apparently, they were looking for some people, and obviously I told her she probably got the wrong number.
Then the lady heard I'm watching the news. She casually said, "Oh, you're watching that too ...". She apologized, and hung up.
I never got wrong numbers on that phone before, and only family members and very close friends new about that number.
After that call, I immediately suspected that my number got flagged because of the text message I sent.
Instead of getting mad, I was impressed, and hoped they track the badies.
I really don't mind the inconvenience, if it's for the common good. |
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You are a fool if you think the safety you are getting comes anywhere close to the cost in rights and liberties you are given up.
The forefathers had great insight into the corruption and power hunger that feeds the governmental beast. Well beyond even they could imagine. Slowly, we the people are allowing them to remove all hurdles to absolute power all in the name of our safety.
Do you realize it is "One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country."? (quote attributed to Charlie Reese articles.orlandosentinel.com/201···con-game) Thats right, those 545 people are 100% responsible for every problem this country has had and will have and nothing will change until we make it.
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."
Frederic Bastiat |
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So how do you feel knowing that all your calls, texts, e-mails and web searches since that day will be eventually be stored in Utah for analysis?
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Springfield, MO | reply to mikedz4
said by mikedz4:where was this "nsa" before 9-11? This is all post 9-11 stuff. It's all infringing on our freedoms and rights.
up to there eyes in data and not enough people to sort it out
this whole thing is short that data so it takes less humans to sort though more data then ever be for
think of it like this your in a stadium trying to listen in on EVERY conversation at once but you only have 10 people thats what happened with 9-11 |
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Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | The NSA has been around since 1952. And tremendously computerized by the 1960s.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_S···y_Agency
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
So no matter what people think, this has been going on for over 50 yrs. The US has been capturing worldwide communications since the 1960s. |
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elios
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Springfield, MO | not saying it hasnt again know people that worked at NSA HQ
its just they had always had and imo will always have far more data then they can sort out but with data centers like this doing more of the sorting they can sift though it MUCH faster then 10 years ago
btw ECHELON is VERY slow(relatively) and takes a wile to chew though data
»www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/s···ory.html
very cool NOVA on the NSA
shame i didnt do better in school would of loved to work for the NSA |
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Redwood Valley, CA
kudos:1 | reply to phxmark
said by phxmark:said by mikedz4:where was this "nsa" before 9-11? This is all post 9-11 stuff. It's all infringing on our freedoms and rights.
We have no freedoms or rights in this country since the new dictator took over. You have NO understanding of history to say that, NO understanding. Whether you like him or not to call the president a dictator shows ignorance and lack of education. |
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said by pende_tim:So how do you feel knowing that all your calls, texts, e-mails and web searches since that day will be eventually be stored in Utah for analysis? Mine already are. 
As if Google has not been doing this for years anyway?  |
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mist668
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Middleburg, PA | reply to RR Conductor
I think the president is a socialist. Not saying so shows your lack of education. |
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vpokoPremium
join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | I guess that's where we are now. Anyone who's slightly left of center is a socialist and anyone who's slightly right of center is a fascist, who needs context. The strange thing is that everything in America feels so similar despite the fascist's administration being replaced by the socialist's in 2009. It's almost like they're working for the same lobbyists despite their differing labels. |
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Tallahassee, FL | reply to mist668
said by mist668:I think the president is a socialist. Not saying so shows your lack of education.
Try to find a socialist that believes Obama supports their ideas. Hint: you won't find one. |
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and what's not to say that google isn't just handing over all that information to the government
amazes me how much leeway google gets on this site considering that any and all large companies are evil around here |
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Troy, NY | reply to tcope
said by tcope:said by pende_tim:So how do you feel knowing that all your calls, texts, e-mails and web searches since that day will be eventually be stored in Utah for analysis? Mine already are. As if Google has not been doing this for years anyway? Google can't "disappear" you into some third-world country for "enhanced interrogation" just because you said something that made you a "person of interest".
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Lake Zurich, IL | reply to Maxo
said by Maxo:Try to find a socialist that believes Obama supports their ideas. Hint: you won't find one.
Not even close, this is just from the weekend's news: »newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp···u-expect |
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Re: Wasting more $$$ Which dictator would that be? It has been planned and designed for 10 years so which dictator are you referring to? |
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