 mityfowlPremium
join:2000-11-06
Dallas, TX | reply to Jack_in_VA
Re: Government says $50 light bulb is cheap and affordable I've told all my friends and employees that you could save $20 or more per month switching out to cfl when they need replacement. I have a chandelier and 1 light that is tough.
My 89 year old dad is the hardest convert. |
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mityfowlPremium
join:2000-11-06
Dallas, TX | reply to Jack_in_VA
I buy a dozen or 2 cfl's every month for people who use them. Usually 100/27
I have old eyes and like light or brightness. |
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mityfowlPremium
join:2000-11-06
Dallas, TX | reply to Jack_in_VA
We have a list of do not buy stuff.
Phillips is on the top.
Anything Phillips |
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mityfowlPremium
join:2000-11-06
Dallas, TX | reply to Jack_in_VA
You can't get on this list with 1 bad product. Or 1 bad run. |
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mityfowlPremium
join:2000-11-06
Dallas, TX | reply to Jack_in_VA
Epsom printers
Safeway and Chrysler
we don't do foods unless they are poison
Remember Phillips is #1 |
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 Nick_LPremium
join:2003-01-22
Pittsburgh, PA | reply to mityfowl
said by mityfowl:said by Nick_L:I've got a candle in the window. Wait... what was the game again?
Anyway, LEDs are mainly semiconducting wafers encased in polycarbons. ICs are mainly silicon and plastic with metal foil. Heat syncs are metal. Unless your home plays frequent host to the WWE, or your children are notorious for taking baseball bats to your luminaries I think you are going to have a hard time breaking an LED bulb via everyday handling and use.
Show me dude Let me tests them I no longer believe anything the government says I have no vested interest in which technology you choose to light your home or business with. I was simply pointing out the obvious flaws in your argument in case others reading this actually factor n your comment when deciding to try LED "bulbs".
As for your comment about the government, some distrust (of anything) is healthy and prudent. Wholesale distrust is called paranoia and is a recognized medical condition. |
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join:2010-04-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
kudos:3 | reply to Lurch77
said by Lurch77:Is there an American company building bulbs in America? Or is this as close as we are going to get right now? I'm happy to see it manufactured here.
GE Closes Last Incandescent Light Bulb Plant, Jobs Sent to China
GE has closed its last major factory making incandescent light bulbs in the United States, a victim of a 2007 law banning sale of the light bulbs by 2014. Environmental activist groups promised the restrictions would create green jobs, but workers at GE's Winchester, Virginia plant are finding the law is merely creating jobs overseas in China, says the Heartland Institute.
•The 2007 law imposed energy efficiency requirements that cannot be met by traditional incandescent light bulbs.
•Compact fluorescent lights (CFLs), which are much more expensive than incandescent light bulbs, are the least expensive alternative.
•The manufacture of CFLs, however, is labor intensive and too expensive to be done at U.S. wage rates.
GE could retrofit its Winchester plant to produce CFLs, but GE CFLs would be 50 percent more expensive than bulbs made in China with the benefit of cheap labor. Realizing it could not compete with such a cost disadvantage, GE is closing down its Winchester factory, putting 200 workers out of a job.
H. Sterling Burnett, a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, says people should not be surprised by job losses caused by environmental mandates such as the ban on incandescent light bulbs.
"The claim that the unemployment caused by federal policies forcing CFL light bulbs on the public was an 'unintended consequence' would be laughable if the job losses weren't so unfortunate," says Burnett.
Sam Kazman, general counsel for the Competitive Enterprise Institute, pointed out banning incandescent light bulbs does not necessarily bring environmental benefits.
•In 1987 the town of Traer, Iowa handed out 18,000 free fluorescent bulbs to its residents in a demonstration project aimed at reducing power consumption.
•Residential electricity use actually rose by 8 percent, because people used more lights and kept them on longer once they realized their lighting was cheaper.
Source: Kenneth Artz, "GE Closes Last Incandescent Light Bulb Plant, Jobs Sent to China," Heartland Institute, October 4, 2010.
»www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?A···ID=19893
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join:2000-06-06
Downingtown, PA
kudos:3
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said by mityfowl:We have a list of do not buy stuff.
Phillips is on the top.
Anything Phillips
Going for a posting record? 
What is the problem with Phillips that you won't buy anything they make?
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 whizkid3Premium,MVM
join:2002-02-21
Queens, NY
kudos:9 | reply to Jack_in_VA
quote:
the award-winner is no ordinary bulb. It uses only one-sixth the energy of an incandescent. And it lasts 30,000 hours–about 30 times as long. it may last 10 years or more.
Over a period of ten years, it is certainly less expensive than ordinary incandescent bulbs and the energy they use.
But agreed; its not affordable. And there are much less expensive alternatives that meet the requirements of President Bush's Energy Policy Act of 2005. Personally, I am using halogen replacements for incandescent bulbs. I like the color, the cost, and that they don't flicker. |
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 Jack_in_VAPremium
join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
kudos:1 | said by whizkid3: quote:
the award-winner is no ordinary bulb. It uses only one-sixth the energy of an incandescent. And it lasts 30,000 hours–about 30 times as long. it may last 10 years or more.
Over a period of ten years, it is certainly less expensive than ordinary incandescent bulbs and the energy they use. But agreed; its not affordable. And there are much less expensive alternatives that meet the requirements of President Bush's Energy Policy Act of 2005. Personally, I am using halogen replacements for incandescent bulbs. I like the color, the cost, and that they don't flicker. Have you had good luck with them lasting? I'm inclined to give them a look. |
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join:2010-08-18
Montreal, QC Reviews:
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Hmmz... This is just in line with the whole light bulb ban that was initiated by the manufacturers' lobby, just because the patent on the incandescent bulb had expired. The government just wants to gain some bonus (points).
No, I'm not convinced about CFL and (the affordable) LED bulbs for most home usage. I'll stick with incandescent for now and will definitely hog those if ever they still get banned here. My only other hope is for plasma lamps, those are the only ones with a Ra index and a continuity in the spectrum that actually gets close enough to incandescent bulbs. |
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whizkid3Premium,MVM
join:2002-02-21
Queens, NY
kudos:9 | reply to Jack_in_VA
Haven't really paid attention. I think they last about the same as a regular incandescent light bulb. Doesn't really bother me. |
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We need to bring back American child-labor so we can compete in the global marketplace.
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FWIW, Lowes Depot (the orange ones) have these bulbs for $25 ea.
»www.homedepot.com/buy/electrical···236.html |
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 nunyaWho is John Galt?Premium,MVM
join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO
kudos:8 | reply to Jurjen
The patent on the light bulb expired in November 1893. I don't think that's a valid reason.
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Jurjen
join:2010-08-18
Montreal, QC | Well, that's the info I got at the time. Perhaps that's for the original design, it has been tweaked over the ages, so maybe those were re-patented. |
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nunyaWho is John Galt?Premium,MVM
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O Fallon, MO
kudos:8 Reviews:
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I have that lamp. There is no discernible difference in color from an incandescent bulb. The only time there is a color variation is after about 50% dimming. The incan lamp turns orange, while the LED stays soft white.
The only gripe I have with that lamp is the pillars.
I'm waiting for "Switch" to come out with their new lamps, but they keep hem-hawing around. I've been looking for an "on the market" US made LED lamp for some time now. I'd gladly pay more for a US made lamp than Chinese crap.
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Home depot here in NJ has the Philips bulbs on sale.
$11 for 40w equiv, $15 for 60w equiv and $20 for 75w equiv. |
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mityfowlPremium
join:2000-11-06
Dallas, TX | Phillips.
Enough said. |
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whizkid3Premium,MVM
join:2002-02-21
Queens, NY
kudos:9 | reply to Jack_in_VA
said by Jack_in_VA:Royal Philips Electronics of the Netherlands - The bulbs may be made here but the company is far from being an American one. Hardly any difference, then, with General Electric, Hewlett Packard, etc.
They are all international companies. Some pay zero in taxes in the US (GE). What difference does it make where they say their HQ building is. They are public companies; any foreigner can and does own as much of the company as they feel like; and most of the rest is owned by banks, & other financial institutions. They all make products here and make them in foreign countries as well. Their management and workforce are made up of people from around the world.I don't seen any difference, whatsoever, besides 'companies that were started' in the US. Oh, and Phillips pays more in taxes to the US than GE. |
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