 SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature.Premium
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| AArghh! Long live the pirates. The industry needs to listen to the consumer, to see what it can do to met the needs of them.
For Example:
HBO season 1 of Game of Thrones. Can't be found on Itunes, Vudu, Netflix, Amazon.
Interestingly, HBO Go starts April first, and if you subscribe to HBO, then you'll have access to HBO's show library. Which is fine.
But for those not wanting to take on the cost of a monthly HBO charge, their only option is the pirate sites.
Same thing applies to Fox. Fox made it harder to see it's programs online. Sure you can buy it from Itunes or Amazon. But if you aren't Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, or Steve Jobs, how can you afford to pay for all the shows?
Again, only option is pirate sites. I know that there will always be pirates, but I'm talking about the antics these guys play that forces a person that doesn't like to pirate, to pirate.
They need to make access to the libraries affordable, and easy. For example:
1]Free mode: Ads placed as often as a normal broadcast.
2]Paid mode [offer levels]
a]Level one: reduced number of ads, better quality stream.
b]Level two: No ads, good quality stream.
c]Level 3: No ads, HD stream.
That way everyone can be "happy".
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 NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
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| said by Snakeoil:Long live the pirates. The industry needs to listen to the consumer, to see what it can do to met the needs of them.
For Example:
HBO season 1 of Game of Thrones. Can't be found on Itunes, Vudu, Netflix, Amazon.
Interestingly, HBO Go starts April first, and if you subscribe to HBO, then you'll have access to HBO's show library. Which is fine.
But for those not wanting to take on the cost of a monthly HBO charge, their only option is the pirate sites.
Same thing applies to Fox. Fox made it harder to see it's programs online. Sure you can buy it from Itunes or Amazon. But if you aren't Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, or Steve Jobs, how can you afford to pay for all the shows?
Again, only option is pirate sites. I know that there will always be pirates, but I'm talking about the antics these guys play that forces a person that doesn't like to pirate, to pirate.
They need to make access to the libraries affordable, and easy. For example:
1]Free mode: Ads placed as often as a normal broadcast.
2]Paid mode [offer levels]
a]Level one: reduced number of ads, better quality stream.
b]Level two: No ads, good quality stream.
c]Level 3: No ads, HD stream.
That way everyone can be "happy".
All this and still the pirates will pirate what they want.
While I will agree that access is an issue, there are many other examples where Netflix, Itunes, Vudu, and so on have the material. As you say, "how can you afford to pay for all the shows?".
The cost has to come down to a reasonable level as well. Cheap enough where pirates will question if its worth pirating or not. To some people, the cost will always be too great. To a vast majority of people out there, many will just buy the product if its cheap instead of going through illegal means.
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SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature.Premium
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| Of course. You'll always have people that will do illegal things, regardless if you offer something for free, or next to it.
They get a "rush" off of it. Where as those that are currently "forced" to pirate because of cost/lack of availability/access will stop and use the legal means.
Before Netflix, I used to hit the torrent sites for movies/tv shows. Now that I have netflix, I don't hit the torrent sites. But Hollywood/Networks have jerked Netflix around so much, that torrents are looking good again.
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No,
a] The MPAA and RIAA need to go on another massive lawsuit campaign, and when these people get their notice in the mail, and post on this site, I will LMAO.
b] Flood the globe with millions of copies of screwed up material. I think that would be freakin AWESOME.
I have over 3,000 DVD's / CD's. Im no Bill gates. The balls to think that people think they could/should just take whatever they damn want. To JUSTIFY it by saying its too expensive, my god. Mercedes are expensive, you gonna jack one buddy? Movie tickets are expensive. Oops, youre not only the guy sneaking in the backdoor, youre bringing a video camera.
Whats the statute of limitations on copyright theft ? Love your admission of guilt in a public forum. |
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SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature.Premium
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| There is a difference between physical media and digital media. Physical media has a cost that stays about the same, from one copy to the next. Digital media, the cost is all in making the first copy. After that, the cost should in theory go down. But then the greed machine kicks in and instead the cost is about the same as physical media. And you get no extra value. At least with physical media you can sell it, and get some money back.
As for movies, I go when the prices are cheap. Monday the tickets are 5 bucks for normal movies 6 bucks for 3d movies. As for stealing a car, compared to digital media. They don't compare.
You may enjoy paying 15 to 30 bucks for a DVD, I don't have the money. Netflix is an economical option for me. How ever hollywood, by jerking around Netflix, is only making it easier for people to risk pirating movies.
All people want is a cheap way of legally watching content. Provide them that, and many will stop pirating.
Paying 20 bucks for a digital copy is to expensive.
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As for stealing a car, compared to digital media. They don't compare.
We'll see if your maker agrees. |
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SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature.Premium
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MPAA and RIAA only caught a small fraction even in the hay-day of all of their suing. That and they went after an IP address, which a judge ruled was not a person.
Content is overvalued and that is the truth of it.
I will get my Network TV shows, which air freely anyway, from Usenet and won't feel one bit bad about it. |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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Haha
'Now Snakeoil... you stay off of those pirate sites; they are full of roughians, scoundrels and car theives!'
'Yes maaahhhhh' |
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SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature.Premium
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a-Legal fees will only reduce their profits, or rather those costs will be passed on to people like you
b-Creeps post encrypted copies and try to get people to pay for the key, and bad encodes are common. "Trusted" sources are important. (Which could be the media companies if they weren't so obsessed with price-gouging)
Your library has value to you, but I delete everything I download, because particular content doesn't have any value to me. You could have bought 3000 blowjobs! You must have some regrets. |
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 Simba7I Void Warranties
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | reply to ITALIAN926
Theft? Yep.. I'm stealing your copyright and I'm never giving it back.
I'm getting a bit sick of that term. |
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| said by Simba7:Theft? Yep.. I'm stealing your copyright and I'm never giving it back.
I'm getting a bit sick of that term.
Like it or not, its still copyright infringement. As someone who has had my copyright infringed upon, I am not a supporter of it. At the same time though, I am not going out of my way to make my product that is in demand, unobtainable or overly expensive. Yet, people and organizations would continue to pirate it.
IMHO, there is no excuse for copyright infringement if the product is easy to get and reasonably priced.
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Sammer
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Canonsburg, PA | reply to Snakeoil
said by Snakeoil:You'll always have people that will do illegal things, regardless if you offer something for free, or next to it.
They get a "rush" off of it. Where as those that are currently "forced" to pirate because of cost/lack of availability/access will stop and use the legal means.
While I don't condone copyright infringement, if it is actually true that 70% of 18 to 29 years and 46% of all adults "pirate" internet content then that is obviously civil disobedience of what many consider unjust law rather than criminal intent. I have to agree that the pendulum of "intellectual property" law has swung away from the original intent of the U. S. Constitution to promote the public domain and toward the greed of the few. |
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Re: AArghh! said by Snakeoil:There is a difference between physical media and digital media. Physical media has a cost that stays about the same, from one copy to the next. Digital media, the cost is all in making the first copy. After that, the cost should in theory go down. But then the greed machine kicks in and instead the cost is about the same as physical media. And you get no extra value. At least with physical media you can sell it, and get some money back.
This is a wrongheaded way of thinking about the business. The cost of the media is roughly comparable no matter what the delivery mechanism. Physical media has a cost to create and deliver, so does digital media.
The real question is, what are you charging for the CONTENT? That is where the real value lies, and that is what you are being charged for. And it's on a PER COPY basis, the value of the content does not decrease just because you sell 10000 copies instead of 100.
Greed's got nothing to do with it. It's about someone who's created valuable content (music, video, software, images, ...) and wants to sell copies of it. The medium is not the issue. The content is. |
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I used to work for a company that amongst other things broadcasted "classic movies".
I had suggested that how about looking at cancelled shows, or shows that never made it past the pilot stage (some for a good reason , Wonder Woman anyone?), as a niche, it may or may not sell.
Apparently the cost of licensing even the crap they can't broadcast to consumers was so high it wasn't worth it.
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Roop
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+1 |
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 ctceoPremium
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South Bend, IN | reply to Simba7
I agree, the whole principle of copyright needs to go bye bye. |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to Snakeoil
It is the job of the content owner to provide the content in the form the Consumer wants, not force the consumer to consume it how they want.
This is the digital age, if a content owner states the consumer has to wait 60d to even rent the DVD from Netflix they might look at that blu-ray rip on torrent and do that instead.
Everything should be available 24/7/365 with no link at all to geographic location. If I can get the bandwidth I should be able to watch anything from anywhere for a nominal fee or sit through some ads.
Piracy is huge in some parts of entertainment because it will never make it to the US due to licensing bullshittery, this means legal methods are out and Piracy is the only method. the IP owners failed to provide import as such Piracy becomes legit.
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