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This is crazy - Card Services

Even though the gov had nailed a few of the asshats, there seems to be at least 3 or 4 of these scams going on at any given time. Since they're using voip and Caller ID spoofing, their tracks are easily covered. The only tracks are if someone is foolish enough to get bilked it leaves a partial money trail...but that, too, vanishes faster than law enforcement will move.
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reply to David3941
Using a VOIP provider yourself that lets you blacklist the calls you know are scams, and/or whitelist the calls you know aren't, is the only way to really keep yourself from drowning under these calls. Callcentric lets me blacklist, very handy in this political primary season.

Card services and that stupid survey are the pits. I have the phone set to ring the MID file of Cocaine if the caller is not in my phone book.

If the number is not local then it's look on "Who calls me" and put the bugger on the reject list. They are not supposed to be calling cell phones anyway.

I got one today and just didn't answer. I removed voice mail so maybe they will think the number is dead.

reply to David3941
A lot of information on them and some creative ways posters have of dealing with them can be found in this topic: »[Scam] Card Services relentless phone calls revisited

One of the more frequent countermeasures has been to play the SIT tones (that tell an automated dialler a number is disconnected) at the beginning of a voicemail or answering machine message.

There is also some evidence that they are getting potential marks from the National Do Not Call List, which they ignore anyway. Having your number on the list seems to increase your chances of getting called by them.
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I, for one, welcome our new Computer Overlords.

The point that everyone keeps ignoring in "countermeasures" discussion is that no matter what you do, the same or a different bunch of asshats is going to dial your number again. They don't bother marking "dead" numbers in active exchanges because legitimately OOS ones are likely to be reassigned after 60-180 days in most areas. And you can blow all the airhorns or cuss them out til you're blue in the face. They. Don't. Care. Period. Even my favorite game of "keep them on the line as long as I can to waste their time" doesn't stop them from calling again. However, if *thousands* of people did that religiously *every time* for *every scam* it could eventually make the scams cost them money to the point it just isn't profitable for them to keep at it.

It is also extremely unlikely that they are using the DNCR as a source of numbers. It appears they are using autodialers (I have 2 numbers that are only off by a few digits that *always* receive calls with identical CID info within 2-3 minutes). Bitching about being on the DNCR or that these (or other jackwagons) are trawling it is pointless and baseless and, unless someone can provide some actual proof they are doing so (such as evidence from a government lawsuit), indulging continued claims about that needs to be stopped dead in its tracks.

Another giant peeve is how many people posting on 800notes or whocalllsme put up "stop calling me" demands on those sites, fully believing that doing so will have some kind of magical effect. Since calling parties only hang there to shill for their scams, they just laugh about "Pissed-off Patty" saying to stop calling her. (Reality Check: Scammers are going to divine from an anonymous post who to stop calling and do so? Really?)
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Oh, for farks sake. It's SITs not CITs. I keep doing that.

reply to JALevinworth

I go by what I read and hear. SIT tones, just hanging up as soon as you realize it's a bogus call, even suing telemarketers or debt collectors does not deter unwanted callers from continuing to annoy people. Period. The empirical evidence is in every scam and call-gripe forum on the Internet. If my assessment is wrong, then these calls would have ceased for the vast majority of people ages ago. They have not; instead, they are on the rise.

The CCs tried to notify me about suspicious activity. The dialers heard SIT tones, which made them think the number was disconnected. That sets up a red flag that their info may be out of date, on top of there being suspicious activity. (Just about every current cardholder agreement contains a clause that you agree to promptly notify them of any change to your contact information.) Suspending an account will kill a fraudulent charge as well as get the account holder's immediate attention to contact them to update their info. OTOH, a person making the call would be able to tell the difference as the rest of the greeting message would play...dialers are dumb like that.

As I said further up, aside from people simply using their brains and not falling for scams (eliminating the chance of making money in the first place), the next best thing would be if those of us with brains made a point of wasting the callers' time. Sooner or later it would become a losing proposition if thousands upon thousands of people tied them up for several minutes every call only to leave them hanging. When it costs actual money to make little or nothing, the incentive to keep at it withers and dies.
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If someone knows how to get SIT tones on a cell phone------

reply to David3941
Add 971-295-9768..they called 4 times today...I answered...I told him I had 100k in available credit...he perked up...then I told him the rate was 5-8%...he then told me they could not help me...so I asked him to do me a favor...jump out the nearest high rise window.
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Thanks. I also got called, both on my home and cell phones, from 843-619-7767. No message but looking the number up on Google showed it was a robo-caller.