 ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4
 ·VOIPo
| reply to JohnInSJ
Re: [iPhone] AT&T customers surprised by 'unlimited data' limit Which is going down. It was 52%, now it is 24%. So it is going the opposite direction. It's the top 20 percent which is going to be the problem which represents the tiered users.
"Cisco has been studying tiered data plans at two global, Tier 1 wireless operators for the past 21 months. While at the beginning, the top 1 percent represented 52 percent of traffic on the networks, now that 1 percent only represents 24 percent of traffic, while the top 20 percent continues to grow in usage, Barnett says."
--
"So, Lone Starr, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? »www.venganza.org |
|
 JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA
·PHONE POWER
 ·Comcast
| said by ptrowski:Which is going down. It was 52%, now it is 24%. So it is going the opposite direction. It's the top 20 percent which is going to be the problem which represents the tiered users.
"Cisco has been studying tiered data plans at two global, Tier 1 wireless operators for the past 21 months. While at the beginning, the top 1 percent represented 52 percent of traffic on the networks, now that 1 percent only represents 24 percent of traffic, while the top 20 percent continues to grow in usage, Barnett says."
That's much more due to the penetration of smartphones vs feature phones. »blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/con···by-2011/
Don't forget this is a cisco report. Which is going to support the thesis "you need to buy more cisco routers for your data centers"
Or, did you think cisco was just trying to help poor suffering unlimited data users on AT&T?
The MUCH more interesting statistic is that 1% of all data users drive any significant amount of data. 25% of all data. So, if the average is 1GB, and the sample size is 100, what is the median? Yeah, kinda hard to guess that one, but it's the one you really want to argue with me with.
Because the 1%ers drive the average WAY up.
--
My place : »www.schettino.us |
|
ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 Reviews:
·VOIPo
| Which again is going down. So they have seen the smartphone adoption rates explode, they try to buy T-mobile and fail. They fully admit that they could have expanded on their own.
Obviously I am not the only one who finds this practice ridiculous as it is being picked up on CNN, etc. |
|
|
|
JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
·PHONE POWER
·Comcast
| said by ptrowski:Which again is going down. So they have seen the smartphone adoption rates explode, they try to buy T-mobile and fail. They fully admit that they could have expanded on their own.
Obviously I am not the only one who finds this practice ridiculous as it is being picked up on CNN, etc.
Let's try this again
100 user sample size
100GB total use
Average use: 1GB
1 user accounts for 24% of that use
99 user sample size
76GB total use
Average use: .76GB
Question: if top 1% use 24% of data... how much does 2% use? 5%?
Answer: Most likely: ~ 95% of all data.
So,
95 user sample size
5GB total use
Average use: 0.052GB
Magic!
You complain that's too high? That somehow the dropoff from top 1 to top 5 is much sharper? Ok, let's say the total for top 5 is 80% (24 + 20 + 16 + 12 + 8%)
Average use: 210 MB... wow, where have I seen THAT number before?
How about 70% (carve up the remaining 50% however you like...)
Average use: 315 MB... wow, where have I seen THAT number before?
So, here's MY guess. On AT&T last year, the average use per sub was 200MB on all data plans. Now, it's closer to 300MB. That's why they have that bottom offering... because most people actually fall at or below that mark.
That's the point. The top users still use all the data. And if the top users have no reason to limit themselves, they won't. But you have to build out to support those users, who generate no additional revenue.
--
My place : »www.schettino.us |
|
ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 Reviews:
·VOIPo
| I didn't see it being a sample size of 100 people, maybe I missed that. The issues are they are blaming it on unlimited data account holders, and that number of top usage has gone down 25% while smartphone usage and adoption is exploding.
Understanding that obviously Cisco has an agenda as well, I understand you do as a stockholder to AT&T. But it's the top 20% that is growing and causing the issues, not that 5% that they blame. Their usage is going down.
To blame it on congestion is a smokescreen. You are right, us unlimited users are not as profitable. But to be told by an AT&T rep that congestion goes away when you move to a tiered plan made me laugh. Verizon's practice makes sense, AT&T's is ridiculous.
We will agree to disagree on this I guess.
--
"So, Lone Starr, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? »www.venganza.org |
|
 trparkyApple... YUMPremium,MVM
join:2000-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:2
·Time Warner Cable
| I'm going to say this... AT&T doesn't care about you the customer, their network, or their employees. They have consistently shown to put their stockholders and executive bonuses before everything else.
It shows in everything they run, including their wireless and their absolutely pathetic excuse for a triple-play service called uHearse (that's uVerse for those that don't get the joke). Their "HDTV" service looks worse than a badly encoded YouTube video! I'm paying for HDTV, not YouTube!
They have neglected their wireless service to the point where I ran to Verizon Wireless because of the constant dropped calls I was getting in my area. What good is five bars of service when you can't place a damn phone call!
They have also neglected their copper line business to the point that more often than not the copper lines haven't been replaced in over 50 years. 50 years! This crap was installed when Franklin Delano Roosevelt was in office! And now they expect to shove VDSL down these crappy lines? I got news for you... it ain't going to happen.
This company is the worst run company I've ever seen. I lump these guys in with Enron, Freddie Mac, and the other various companies we blame for the economic mess we're in. |
|
JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
·PHONE POWER
·Comcast
| reply to ptrowski
said by ptrowski:I didn't see it being a sample size of 100 people, maybe I missed that.
Add as many zeros as you want, the math is exactly the same. Thats how statistics works.
--
My place : »www.schettino.us |
|
ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 | You can devise any numbers you so choose as long as it pays your dividends. The throttling practice of AT&T is the the worst out of the carriers. |
|
JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
·PHONE POWER
·Comcast
| said by ptrowski:You can devise any numbers you so choose as long as it pays your dividends. The throttling practice of AT&T is the the worst out of the carriers.
That's the summation of your argument?
--
My place : »www.schettino.us |
|
ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 Reviews:
·VOIPo
| For now yes. Why? Because I will continue to show it is a smokescreen to throttle under the guise of the 5%, and you will continue to show how we are not revenue producing and it's in AT&T's best fininacial interest. We will go back and forth not convincing either to change their mind.
I want speeds that are not throttled under false pretense, you want want maximum dividends paid to you. We can agree to disagree.
--
"So, Lone Starr, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? »www.venganza.org |
|
JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
·PHONE POWER
·Comcast
| said by ptrowski:For now yes. Why? Because I will continue to show it is a smokescreen to throttle under the guise of the 5%, and you will continue to show how we are not revenue producing and it's in AT&T's best fininacial interest. We will go back and forth not convincing either to change their mind. If it's a smokescreen, switch to one that doesn't do it. Vote with your wallet. If AT&T doesn't make money because they don't offer unlimited unthrottled wireless data for all, then they'll offer it.
I want speeds that are not throttled under false pretense, you want want maximum dividends paid to you. We can agree to disagree.
--
My place : »www.schettino.us |
|
ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 Reviews:
·VOIPo
| We shall eventually when the ETF is at a reasonable amount. At this point Verizon would be a way to go if caught on one of the double data promotions. I don't want a non profit at all, nice try. I am just sick and tired of being repeatedly bent over more and more. Double the upgrade fee? Great! Throttle the data? Fantastic! Limited texting packages? Wonderful!
The congestion statement is false. Like I said when I called I was told there would be no congestion if I went to a tiered plan. Really? Horse crap.
--
"So, Lone Starr, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? »www.venganza.org |
|
JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
·PHONE POWER
·Comcast
| don't buy the service if you don't want to be "bent over".
It's a service, not a human right. I'm tired of people whining about how they're getting ripped off for not getting unlimited data.
--
My place : »www.schettino.us |
|
ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 | And I am tried of people whinin about congestion and dividends paid. So we can agree to disagree. |
|
JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
·PHONE POWER
·Comcast
| said by ptrowski:And I am tried of people whinin about congestion and dividends paid. So we can agree to disagree.
I didn't ever say anything about congestion, did I? I just repeatedly pointed out that for-profit companies mostly care about profit. Since that's the world we live in, being outraged over a company doing that seems silly.
--
My place : »www.schettino.us |
|
ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 Reviews:
·VOIPo
| Silly me, I took this..
"It's not a smokescreen. 3G is designed for burst traffic, not streaming media. Consumers of large amounts of bandwidth are consuming it with long running streams. Which ties up resources on a tower. Which costs significant dollars to expand capacity on."
as your explanation of congestion.
--
"So, Lone Starr, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? »www.venganza.org |
|
JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
·PHONE POWER
·Comcast
| said by ptrowski:Silly me, I took this..
"It's not a smokescreen. 3G is designed for burst traffic, not streaming media. Consumers of large amounts of bandwidth are consuming it with long running streams. Which ties up resources on a tower. Which costs significant dollars to expand capacity on."
as your explanation of congestion.
Nope, it's the reality of how GSM works, and where the expense is. The rest of that post went on to explain how metered data use generated revenue to pay for expansion, while unmetered did not. So, in context, the issue isn't "congestion" - it's capacity utilization vs revenue. Congestion is YOUR red herring, since it's decoupled from any idea that there are costs associated with capacity.
Do you think each tower has unlimited capacity for long running data sessions? Does each tower have unlimited backhaul?
--
My place : »www.schettino.us |
|
ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 Reviews:
·VOIPo
| Yes, and they are powered by unicorns eating fairy dust. Of course not.
It's not my herring, it's the BS being told to me from AT&T directly via SMS, email, and on the phone. And when the header on the email says Domestic Restricted Data Cap it is disturbing.
Increase capacity if there is an issue.
--
"So, Lone Starr, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? »www.venganza.org |
|
JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
·PHONE POWER
·Comcast
| said by ptrowski:Increase capacity if there is an issue.
which costs money, which is raised by charging for use. We agree!
--
My place : »www.schettino.us |
|
 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | said by JohnInSJ:said by ptrowski:Increase capacity if there is an issue.
which costs money, which is raised by charging for use. We agree! yes, because ATT was losing money in the first place....
--
--Standard disclaimers apply.--
google this "(sqrt(cos(x))*cos(200*x)+sqrt(abs(x))-0.7)*(4-x*x)^0.01, sqrt(9-x^2), -sqrt(9-x^2)" |
|
