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Re: [OS X] Mountain Lion coming this summer Thank you for the excellent clarification!  Looks like I may be able to roar like a Mountain Lion after all. 
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| Looks like Software Update is moving to the Mac App Store as well. You'll need to create an Apple ID (or use an existing one) to keep your OS updated, even if you wish to stay clear of Apple's online ecosystem of apps.
Nice... 
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| said by HiVolt:Looks like Software Update is moving to the Mac App Store as well. You'll need to create an Apple ID (or use an existing one) to keep your OS updated, even if you wish to stay clear of Apple's online ecosystem of apps.
Nice...
I kinda like the way Software Update works now. However, I have an Apple ID, so that won't be a deal breaker.
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said by J E F F:What determine whether or not Apple will accept an "identified developer"? If a piece of software, like one based on WINE, would Apple be eager? Likely not.
Any developer can sign up for the certificate without any approval. They just need to sign up for the Apple Developer Program and generate a certificate.
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| said by Thinkdiff: Any developer can sign up for the certificate without any approval. They just need to sign up for the Apple Developer Program and generate a certificate.
Doesn't it cost $100?
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kudos:6 | Yes. But I would think most developers are already part of that program. Obviously it hurts small developers that want to distribute a free app on their own (although they could just instruct their users to allow 10.8 to exempt their app from Gatekeeper). I wouldn't be surprised if the certificates were offered outside of the Developer Program in the future.
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| Not sure if it's a big deal.
For 95% of users (average folk), they'll go with the default (secure setting) and only get stuff via the app store. They'll not bother with downloading or installing programs from 'small developers' (most non-advanced users never install anything)
For the advanced users, they'll select quote:
“Allow applications downloaded from,” with three options:
Anywhere: This choice uses the same set of rules as every previous version of Mac OS X. If an app isn’t known malware and you approve it, it opens.
and be able to get an app even if they're outside of the program (right?)
No one loses choice, since avenues still exist...it's just harder for average folk to damage their computer. |
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| The issue is not with this Mountain Lion... The issue is with future versions... 10.9 may be just App Store & Identified developers, and the next release, which will probably be OS 11, will be App Store only after everyone is slowly forced into this over time.
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said by haroldo:Not sure if it's a big deal.
For 95% of users (average folk), they'll go with the default (secure setting) and only get stuff via the app store. They'll not bother with downloading or installing programs from 'small developers' (most non-advanced users never install anything)
For the advanced users, they'll select quote:
“Allow applications downloaded from,” with three options:
Anywhere: This choice uses the same set of rules as every previous version of Mac OS X. If an app isn’t known malware and you approve it, it opens.
and be able to get an app even if they're outside of the program (right?) No one loses choice, since avenues still exist...it's just harder for average folk to damage their computer. I agree, which I don't think the sky is falling like HiVolt always does. But I guess we'll see who's right when 10.9 comes out next year.
I'd prefer the default to be install from Anywhere and then have the user pick their preference on first start up (explain all the pros/cons), but that would be confusing to many people. If most apps will install without even knowing Gatekeeper is active (which they will) and every now and then I have to manually approve an App, that seems like a good balance to me and not too much different than the current system (pop-up of "This app was downloaded from the internet...")
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I'm not going to worry about what someone might do down the road. If this is a good product, I'll buy it. If the next one isn't, I wont.
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said by Thinkdiff: ...
I'd prefer the default to be install from Anywhere and then have the user pick their preference on first start up (explain all the pros/cons),...
Not me. 95% of users wont understand (nor remember) the explanation. I'd set it secure and let the 5% EASILY figure out how to adjust it. We all know where System Preferences is found.
W*****s XP is a perfect example of a system that could have been set secure...but wasn't, with default settings set too liberally for the average user.
They should make it like they make cars...with idiot lights. Keep it simple. There's a lot of idiots out there
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said by Thinkdiff:Yes. But I would think most developers are already part of that program. Obviously it hurts small developers that want to distribute a free app on their own (although they could just instruct their users to allow 10.8 to exempt their app from Gatekeeper). I wouldn't be surprised if the certificates were offered outside of the Developer Program in the future.
From what I've read, if you want to distribute your app via the Mac App Store then you need to have a $99 paid Mac Developer account. If you want to distribute signed applications via your own website, you can get a free account that allows you to sign the applications in the same manner. |
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Should just rename 10.8 to "Get Shit On Enterprise" from "Mountain Lion".
This is no longer a business product.
Also if you read anything, by default unsigned applications won't be installed by default. You can change the setting for that.
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So, I'll be two OS versions behind come Summer. And, I'll be even further behind on a yearly basis. Bummer.
I so wish that Apple would let us install older OSes on newer hardware.
We're never going back, I suppose. I just don't know what to do in the mid-term. I've got a Mini, my main machine and it's going to be out of Apple Care in the fall. I hate to run a Mac especially that isn't covered. I still don't want anything to do with Lion and Mountain Lion only goes further in the direction I don't want to go.
Oh well, I'll have to bite the bullet eventually.
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Well I like some of the features I’m hearing about on the new iOS X 10.8,….Ummm,…..I mean OS i 10.8,…cough,.... OS X 10.8,….
I’m fairly sure I will upgrade.
I just wonder what it will break beyond what may be deliberately taken away,….? |
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 FronkmanAn Apple a day keeps the doctor awayPremium
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has anyone heard if there will be the ability to allow unsigned apps on a per-app basis. i like the idea of signed apps (whether they come from the app store or not) but there will be abandoned apps that I would like to use, but not if it opens the floodgates for any app...
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kudos:6 | said by Fronkman:has anyone heard if there will be the ability to allow unsigned apps on a per-app basis. i like the idea of signed apps (whether they come from the app store or not) but there will be abandoned apps that I would like to use, but not if it opens the floodgates for any app...
Gruber said you can right click on an app to manually allow it if it's unsigned.
Edit: Here it is:
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said by HiVolt:If anyone didn't see this coming, they're deluded... Apple will eventually have sole control of your desktop as well.
They're just inching along, instead of just fully disallowing outside apps.
Because we all know Apple makes transitions very slowly. They don't just switch an entire architecture in like 6 months or anything.
Apple is taking what I see as the most logical method to installing software. The default is the safest for "normal" people. But there's clear options for those who want to run whatever applications they want.
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Here is a list of machines that will not run ML:
Although OS X Lion has a minimum spec requirement of an Intel Core 2 Duo processor, Mountain Lion’s heftier graphics requirements effectively puts these machines to pasture:
• Any Intel Core 2 Duo MacBook from late 2007 – late 2008 (Model Numbers: MB061*/B, MB062*/B, MB063*/B, MB402*/A MB403*/A MB404*/A, MB402*/B)
• The Mid-2007 Mac mini (Model Numbers: MB138*/A, MB139*/A)
• Late 2006 polycarbonate iMac (Model Number: MA710xx/A)
• The original early 2008 MacBook Air (Model Number: MB003LL/A)
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said by Cabal:By default, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8) will only allow applications to be installed from the App Store. Wow... I understand it is not implemented, but if it ever is, I'm done with OS X. I can't let others tell me how to use my computer.
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