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Re: [iPhone] AT&T customers surprised by 'unlimited data' limit And AT&T announced this (with the attendant press coverage) in October - and put it on Mike's bill in December. Mike is NOW crying foul because poor mike can't watch Netflix over 3G all month.
Poor mike.
LOL
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kudos:4 | Here we go again. Please explain to me why this is a bad thing? Should I be able to consume more than 2-3 Gb and not get throttled? Yes. |
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I'm still crying foul, especially if he's grandfathered unlimited. He signed up for unlimited and didn't get it. I also feel the 5% number is inaccurate. I know of a lot of people who it affects, so apparently I know too many of the minority as AT&T paints it.
I cut down on my 3G usage, and know a lot of people who use their phones a great deal more than I ever have. Even with not doing all that much, I was over the throttling cap.
I feel it's nonsense that when the iPhone 3G was released, unlimited data was a set price, not only can you not get truly unlimited data, but what you previously used costs a fortune. How is this progress?
Any time you start with unlimited anything, then cut it back, people will complain. |
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kudos:4 | Because technically it is unlimited, they don't cut access. That being said it's a crappy money grabbing practice as we all know it's not about congestion, it's about cash. Just sickening how AT&T rewards it's loyal customers. |
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said by JohnInSJ:And AT&T announced this (with the attendant press coverage) in October - and put it on Mike's bill in December. Mike is NOW crying foul because poor mike can't watch Netflix over 3G all month.
Poor mike.
LOL
Imagine that....
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| I understand the metered people use more phenomenon all too well. I have the attitude lately that if I don't use at least half of my alloted bandwidth every month then I'm wasting money.
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kudos:6 | said by MIABye:I understand the metered people use more phenomenon all too well. I have the attitude lately that if I don't use at least half of my alloted bandwidth every month then I'm wasting money.
Yep. I'll use Slingplayer or iTunes Match without wifi the last few days of my billing cycle just to feel like I got my money's worth. Especially on the iPad where I'm finding it harder to use in locations without WiFi.
Whereas if it was unlimited, I'd use it when I want to and not even care if I didn't use "enough".
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| said by Thinkdiff:said by MIABye:I understand the metered people use more phenomenon all too well. I have the attitude lately that if I don't use at least half of my alloted bandwidth every month then I'm wasting money.
Yep. I'll use Slingplayer or iTunes Match without wifi the last few days of my billing cycle just to feel like I got my money's worth. Especially on the iPad where I'm finding it harder to use in locations without WiFi. Whereas if it was unlimited, I'd use it when I want to and not even care if I didn't use "enough". That makes no sense - you pay $30 a month for "unlimited" so you use less than paying $30 a month for 3GB.
You paid $30 in either case.
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| Yes we paid the same, but when there's a limit to what we can use per month it compels some people like me to use as close to that limit every month to get our money's worth. We then use bandwidth even if wi-fi is available. It's a weird psychology thing.
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| said by MIABye: It's a weird psychology thing.
yep. Because, by that logic, you would try to get your money's worth by using an unlimited amount of data, OR AT A MINIMUM the same 3GB you'd otherwise have "paid for" on the metered plan, every month. And yet, you don't follow your own logic.
Unless $30 is worth less if you're buying an unlimited amount of data with it?
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| Alright I'll try explaining it this way. In a weird way it's a revenge type of reaction. ATT limits how much data I can user per month therefore I'm going to get as close as I can to the limit every month. If it was still unlimited I'd feel compelled not to use 3G unless I needed to. ATT is being generous to me so I'll use their resources only as needed. That's probably the better explanation.
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| See what AT&T has done? They have taken loyal customers and nickeled and dime them so bad that customers feel they want to get every ounce of bandwidth they are paying for. They are shooting themselves in the foot but will probably charge us for the first aid.
It's all about the shareholders, we know that. This congestion excuse is just a smokescreen, that's all. Every week it seems you hear about something else AT&T is doing to bend us over even worse.
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said by MIABye:Alright I'll try explaining it this way. In a weird way it's a revenge type of reaction. ATT limits how much data I can user per month therefore I'm going to get as close as I can to the limit every month. If it was still unlimited I'd feel compelled not to use 3G unless I needed to. ATT is being generous to me so I'll use their resources only as needed. That's probably the better explanation.
So, in order to "get back" at at&t, you claim you're going to use every last byte of your metered pre-purchased data. However, if AT&T would just give you unlimited unthrottled data, in response to their love you'll use LESS that the 3GB of data you would have paid the exact same $30 to have access to, on the metered plan.
Ok, I understand.
No, not really.
Look, I don't care as long as AT&T pays out their dividends every year. They'll run their business such that it's competitive (which it is, their data offerings and costs are in near lockstep with the other major player, and the wannabe third place player is rapidly finding they'll have to do something before all those generous loving iPhone owners destroy their network) and it's profitable to the shareholders.
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said by ptrowski:SThis congestion excuse is just a smokescreen, that's all.
It's not a smokescreen. 3G is designed for burst traffic, not streaming media. Consumers of large amounts of bandwidth are consuming it with long running streams. Which ties up resources on a tower. Which costs significant dollars to expand capacity on.
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| Let's preface this with as you mentioned as long as AT&T pays dividends you don't care. So it's painfully obvious the end game you desire.
That aside, one could have easily said that other carriers are dealing with the increase in traffic and do not have the same draconian throttling practices that AT&T has. One could also say that if it was designed for burst, not sustained use AT&T should have been much more aggressive in their LTE buildout. So if I hit my floating cap or whatever it may be 3 days into my billing cycle then that congestion which obviously AT&T says I cause magically disappears? No. Look at Verizon's policy, it makes more sense than AT&T's ever will. So all these people on tiered plans don't cause congestion? Hardly.
If I switch from an unlimited plan to a tiered plan this ap called congestion doesn't go away, just the $10 increments from my wallet.
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| said by ptrowski:Let's preface this with as you mentioned as long as AT&T pays dividends you don't care. So it's painfully obvious the end game you desire.
That aside, one could have easily said that other carriers are dealing with the increase in traffic and do not have the same draconian throttling practices that AT&T has. One could also say that if it was designed for burst, not sustained use AT&T should have been much more aggressive in their LTE buildout. So if I hit my floating cap or whatever it may be 3 days into my billing cycle then that congestion which obviously AT&T says I cause magically disappears? No. Look at Verizon's policy, it makes more sense than AT&T's ever will. So all these people on tiered plans don't cause congestion? Hardly.
If I switch from an unlimited plan to a tiered plan this ap called congestion doesn't go away, just the $10 increments from my wallet.
Look, the point here is that the carriers aren't in this business because they love us, or because wireless data is a fundamental human right, or any other BS. They are in this business to make money.
So, shockingly, if there is a business model that is not making money, they will not support that business model.
Unlimited data when phones were 2G wasn't much data. Unlimited data when devices were HVGA and there was no streaming video content to be had on the internet except for SD crap on youtube wasn't much data. Unlimited data on devices with HD displays and the hardware to effectively drive them, with access to large libraries of HD media to legally stream, is a crapload of data.
Wireless data is not an unlimited resource. It costs real dollars to expand capacity at the tower.
When a user does not pay for their usage, they use more data. When a user pays for their data, they self-limit. If they don't self-limit, they generate additional revenue, which can then be plowed back into expanding tower capacity.
If the extra cost of using additional data was NOT a self-limiting factor, why else would all those who used to consume much more than 2-3GB of data a month whine and complain about having to either pay more for it, or suffer much slower throttled speeds?
Anyway, you're free to choose whatever carrier you want. Vote with your money.
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kudos:4 | We just saw the report stating on average the tiered plan user actually consumes more bandwidth. |
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| said by ptrowski:We just saw the report stating on average the tiered plan user actually consumes more bandwidth.
Link?
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kudos:4 | Was earlier in the thread...
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| Where does that show Metered users consume more data?
"Consumers on tiered data plans are using more data than those on unlimited plans, says Thomas Barnett, Cisco's senior manager of service provider marketing. "
The comment is offline from the report. Interestingly, the comment is about average use. Of 1GB. Which is below the throttle point for "unlimited"
If the throttle is at 5%, then 5% of all unlimited users are using far more than the average user. Which is the problem. The product pricing supports the average user, not the outliers. The low outliers are your friend. You want those. The high outliers are money sinks. You want to make those people pay, or drive them down towards the average.
Per the linked article »www.lightreading.com/document.as···edefault the top 1% account for 1/4 of all usage.
Read that again.
And again.
There you go.
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