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Re: BitTorrent Piracy Doesn146;t Affect US Box Office Returns If I down load a movie and don't intend to pay for it at the box office then they lose nothing. If I download a movie instead of going then they loose money. In either case how can either side track this? They can't. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to battleop
You're right.. and if you steal that TV set from Best Buy but never watch it, or intend to watch it, then you're not hurting anyone either, right?
Seriously, where do you guys come up with this crap-logic?
Explain to me how you're not acting entitled? Explain to me how you don't have to follow the rule of law because you're, I'm guessing, an "informed consumer" and you're just exercising your right.. and the stuff is "crap" anyway so you'd never buy it.. and if that is the case, as is often the argument, then why the F' are you even downloading the torrent in the first place?
People who think like you think you're intelligent.. the matter of fact is you're anything but.
Like it or not, you're not in your right to download or have something that is clearly for profit and sale when you didn't pay for it.. plain and simple, you're a thief.
What you're advocating is that since it can't be enforced, then why bother enforcing it... for that, sir, we get DRM crap that no one likes.
Seriously.. time to move out of Mom's basement already.
I can't even begin to comprehend your skewed logic here... "if I download a movie and I didn't intend to pay for it at the box office then they lose nothing".. serious? What you JUST SAID was "If I intended on stealing it, they lost nothing".. how tarded! |
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 BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | reply to battleop
said by battleop:If I down load a movie and don't intend to pay for it at the box office then they lose nothing. What gives one the right to view content you don't intend on paying for?
The pro-pirate people say downloading isn't stealing since you're not taking anything away. Using that logic I can sneak into a movie theater without paying since I'm not actually stealing anything and I never intended to pay for the movie no matter what so that makes it ok. |
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 XiodenPremium
join:2008-06-10
Monticello, NY
kudos:1 | reply to fiberguy
Piracy does not equal theft. |
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XiodenPremium
join:2008-06-10
Monticello, NY
kudos:1 | reply to BF69
said by BF69:The pro-pirate people say downloading isn't stealing since you're not taking anything away. Using that logic I can sneak into a movie theater without paying since I'm not actually stealing anything and I never intended to pay for the movie no matter what so that makes it ok. That would be trespassing, not theft. |
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said by fiberguy:You're right.. and if you steal that TV set from Best Buy but never watch it, or intend to watch it, then you're not hurting anyone either, right?
Seriously, where do you guys come up with this crap-logic?
So your equating copy and paste with stealing a DVD out of a store?
I think you need to study a bit of logic yourself.
In fact equating replication with stealing opens all kinds of contradictions. |
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I don't recall saying I was downloading movies. I don't go to very many movies and I don't buy very many new blue ray or dvds. Most of the stuff I buy is from a local used book store that sells used books, cds, movies, and games. I don't have to have everything the day of release.
It appears as if you are too smart to understand the meaning of the word "IF". So let me help you first with this link.
»dictionary.reference.com/browse/if
Now once you have reviewed that link and you have a better understanding of the word "IF" let me explain what I said.
"I said IF (remember the above link) I download a move and I don't intend to pay for it at the box office then they lose nothing."
They don't. No one took any money from the bank account of the movie studio and if I never intended to go to that movie they still didn't make or loose any money.
"If (again reference the above link) I download a movie instead of going then they loose money."
In this case they certainly loose money because I downloaded a movie that I would be willing to pay for at the theater but I decided to go cheap and just down load it.
"In either case how can either side track this? They can't."
They can't. The studios can't track this accurately. Any number they come up with is a guess. The torrent crowd can't come up with accurate numbers either. Anything they claim is also a guess.
Both sides are crooks. |
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I never said anyone had a right to it. I only questioned the bullshit statics that both sides come up with. The studios over inflate the amount of money lost IF I download and watch a movie. At most they lose the face value of the ticket I didn't buy. Not the $1,000 they claim.
"I can sneak into a movie theater without paying"
If they call the cops are they going to charge you with theft or trespassing? |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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In this case they certainly loose money because I downloaded a movie that I would be willing to pay for at the theater but I decided to go cheap and just down load it.
There is a logical difference here that the RIAA/MPAA exploits to the max. Losing something implies that you had it at one time and now you don't. That is not what is happening. What is happening is they are failing to make as much as they wanted/expected to make.
Not making what you wanted does not = losing |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to BF69
While it doesn't make it "ok", it doesn't cost them anything, unless you prevented someone else from getting a seat, so they didn't "lose" money they never had.
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to Xioden
said by Xioden:said by BF69:The pro-pirate people say downloading isn't stealing since you're not taking anything away. Using that logic I can sneak into a movie theater without paying since I'm not actually stealing anything and I never intended to pay for the movie no matter what so that makes it ok. That would be trespassing, not theft. So what it's stil not right. Which part of that hall I color in crayon? |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to Xioden
said by Xioden:Piracy does not equal theft.
Neither is sneaking into a movie theater without paying. Is that ok to do? |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to DataRiker
said by DataRiker:said by fiberguy:You're right.. and if you steal that TV set from Best Buy but never watch it, or intend to watch it, then you're not hurting anyone either, right?
Seriously, where do you guys come up with this crap-logic?
So your equating copy and paste with stealing a DVD out of a store? I think you need to study a bit of logic yourself. In fact equating replication with stealing opens all kinds of contradictions. Ok how about sneaking into a movie theater without paying? nothing is getting stolen in that case either. You're just viewing content without paying for it. So basically same thing as downloadling so it should be ok then in your opinion. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to battleop
said by battleop:I never said anyone had a right to it. I only questioned the bullshit statics that both sides come up with. The studios over inflate the amount of money lost IF I download and watch a movie. At most they lose the face value of the ticket I didn't buy. Not the $1,000 they claim.
"I can sneak into a movie theater without paying"
If they call the cops are they going to charge you with theft or trespassing?
If you illegally download you aren't going to get charged with theft either you get charged with copyright infringement.
The point is watching a movie at a theater without paying is wrong. So how is downloading a movie without paying not also wrong? It's the same thing. |
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| I am not saying that downloading a movie is right. I am saying that the over inflated statics and costs are wrong. I also think that the claims that it isn't costing the studios anything at all is also over inflated and wrong.
Does it cost the studios money? Yes, when someone does it in lieu of going to the theater. It's a lost sale. Does it cost the the studios when the person wasn't going to pay in the first place? No it does not because they were not paying to begin with. Do both side over inflate their claims? Absolutely. |
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XiodenPremium
join:2008-06-10
Monticello, NY
kudos:1 | reply to BF69
Neither piracy nor trespassing in a movie theater actually harm either, so sure. |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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said by BF69:If you illegally download you aren't going to get charged with theft either you get charged with copyright infringement.
The thing you don't seem to understand is that the laws have nothing to do with viewing/listening to the content.
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The point is watching a movie at a theater without paying is wrong. So how is downloading a movie without paying not also wrong? It's the same thing.
It is totally different. You are using physical resources in the movie theater... A/C, a seat, the usher has to guide you, etc. None of that happens if you download a movie.
Here is a what-if for you: If the owner of the theater has a private showing of a movie for his friends & family and obviously doesn't charge them. Has anyone done anything wrong? |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to Xioden
said by Xioden:Piracy does not equal theft.
Are you ma'ad?? What the hell do you think a Pirate is?? ... do yourself a favor and go steal any pirate movie such as Pirates of the Caribbean or something and see what a pirate is, if that helps. a Pirate is a thief!
Again, with the logic already... Piracy IS theft.
"Piracy is an act of robbery or criminal violence at sea. The term can include acts committed on land, in the air, or in other major bodies of water or on a shore. It does not normally include crimes committed against persons traveling on the same vessel as the perpetrator (e.g. one passenger stealing from others on the same vessel). The term has been used to refer to raids across land borders by non-state agents." |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to BF69
said by BF69:said by DataRiker:said by fiberguy:You're right.. and if you steal that TV set from Best Buy but never watch it, or intend to watch it, then you're not hurting anyone either, right?
Seriously, where do you guys come up with this crap-logic?
So your equating copy and paste with stealing a DVD out of a store? I think you need to study a bit of logic yourself. In fact equating replication with stealing opens all kinds of contradictions. Ok how about sneaking into a movie theater without paying? nothing is getting stolen in that case either. You're just viewing content without paying for it. So basically same thing as downloadling so it should be ok then in your opinion. Seriously,... no one can help you with your lack of education but yourself. You're clearly making stuff up to suit your own needs as you go along here.. again, you may think you live in a more perfect world and that you're some kind of rebel to be someone's hero for, but you're not. What you are is ill informed of the law.
Theft does not only apply to things you can touch and hold in your hand. OUR LAWS have established that intellectual property is able to be stolen as well. You're SERIOUSLY reaching here to try to make your point some how seem logical. But, in short, you're wrong.
The theft here is viewing the product with out paying for it. The "theft" may not be anything you can take with you, but it's what you failed to LEAVE BEHIND, which was your cover, your toll, your money in short.
So in your mind  it must also be okay to cross a bridge with out paying a toll (I'd love to see you try that one) or to enter into an amusement park by crashing the gate (I suppose that's not theft either) or going into a rock concert with out paying.. also, I DARE you to try and get on an airplane with out paying for the ticket. PLEASE try that one.
So with the above examples which equate to our favorite topic here, tell me how any of the above is illegal while watching a movie with out paying for it is not?
It's called getting a service with out paying for it.. or in simple terms, it's trade... only YOU failed to trade.
Again as I said, time to grow up and move out of mom's basement and get with the rest of the world.
There is, however, two thoughts mixed up into one here.. Taking a movie with out paying for it is theft.. don't care how you try to skew it up to support your own f'd up way of thinking... but on the other hand there is a consumer backlash against the entertainment industry that feels that the price of movies or how they are sold and able to be used is a problem.. and in some parts I agree.
Movies are not over priced.. $8 to see a movie is nothing.. and please stop blaming hollywood for the price of a bucket of popcorn and medium drink being $14 - that's your theater, not Hollywood. As for the price of a DVD or Bluray movie, sure the prices may be high, but again you're not entitled to be entertained at a bargain price.. so don't' buy them. People say that hollywood charges too much and squanders in the face of the people.. introducing YouTube.. people have an ability to produce their own stuff.. I rarely today see people investing millions into producing top quality movies, and if they, or you, did, I"m sure you'd understand the point behind hollywood's battle against priates..
However, once I purchase a movie, it should be mine to use how I want in my own home - and that's where it ends.. in my home. It's still not mine to put on the internet.. but I should be able to stream it to myself anywhere I am and it's none of their business.. The problem is that people, such as yourself, can't respect that and stop there.. so here we are.
The more you guys try to push this idea, the more they're going to come back with PIPA and SOPA..
... YOU and your kind are to thank for this. Applaud yourself.
And do yourself a favor and please, don't ever try to use reverse psychology on me with your brand of logic because it makes me sick. I don't subscribe to your logic or theories.. so spare me the "so then X must be okay in your opinion".. I make no bones about it so you have no need to try to twist my opinions to prove my own thoughts wrong.. I am against theft, plain and simple. When I want a movie, I buy it. When I want a song, I buy it.. I don't go on line and steal it. If everyone believed as you, then there would be no entertainment industry for you to steal from anymore. got it? But I'm sure in your mind it's okay because there are still enough suckers out there paying,... so you don't have to.
Plain and simple, you're and those like you are thieves.. |
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