sk1939Premium
join:2010-10-23
Washington, DC
kudos:9 Reviews:
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Re: Telephone over CAT6 Using RJ45's for phone is, as previously stated, a bad idea if jack life is anything of a priority. RJ 11 keystone jacks can be had for a buck fifty (»www.amazon.com/RJ11-Keystone-Jac···KA3F1M); do it right, do it once. |
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| what? i have my landline phone with an RJ11 end, plugged in into a wallplate with a Leviton quickport RJ45 jack connector and it works fine.
it's labeled so it won't get mixed up. I could have done color coding but my low voltage guy wasn't too detailed to begin with.
and here's the kicker, both rj45 wallplate connectors are wired the same spec and it's the Leviton distribution panel that's separating the voice and data. worked for 5 years now... |
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 VegasManAre We There Yet?Premium
join:2002-11-17
Schaumburg, IL | reply to quatrix
said by quatrix:said by howardfine:People still use landlines in their homes?  People still hold tiny, uncomfortable cell phones with spotty reception and no handset-to-handset intercom and other features up to their ears and use prepaid minutes even for local calls? You forgot sound quality that sucks.
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 Jack_in_VAPremium
join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
kudos:1 | reply to quatrix
Yes I see my neighbors on their piers, walking around in their yards all times of the day and night, in the cold, rain trying to get a signal.  I guess it works for them. |
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 nunyaWho is John Galt?Premium,MVM
join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO
kudos:8
 ·Charter
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Re: Telephone over CAT6 And my '67 Austin-Healey Sprite had a stubby Craftsman screwdriver in the ignition instead of a key. It worked for years until it didn't any more.
It's also not a good idea to send dialtone down an RJ45 where someone might plug an ethernet cable into it.
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 grobinetteSoutheast of disorderPremium,Mod
join:2001-01-27
Springfield, VA
kudos:1
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Host:
Frontier Communica..
Home Improvement
Millenicom
| reply to sr1nath
I don't see where sr1nath  asked any of you for your opinions on cell phones.
It's pretty clear to me that he wanted some technical advice on putting some data infrastructure in his home. |
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| said by grobinette:I don't see where sr1nath asked any of you for your opinions on cell phones.
It's pretty clear to me that he wanted some technical advice on putting some data infrastructure in his home.
I think what most of the anti-POTS people were suggesting was a switch to VoIP with a cell just as a backup for those rare occasions when the Internet is down. Those occasions will be extremely rare if the OP is running brand new ISW, making an honest attempt to do it right and he doesn't buy modems/routers from questionable sources.
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said by nunya:And my '67 Austin-Healey Sprite had a stubby Craftsman screwdriver in the ignition instead of a key. It worked for years until it didn't any more.
It's also not a good idea to send dialtone down an RJ45 where someone might plug an ethernet cable into it.
if you use a car key for a car's ignition and a screwdriver to screw down a screw, then it should work. knowing what to use and where is KEY.
again like I said, my wallplates are labeled either voice or data. leviton made voice and data modules to simplify things like this such that even a caveman can do it.
I do agree with you about the dialtone being sent down an RJ45. We did test out all port terminations and made sure which is which so no mix ups should occur.
The Leviton quickport connectors will accept RJ45 and RJ11 connectors. If you are really anal about it, use RJ11 connectors on wallplates for phone and RJ45 for data. |
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 Bink63Namedrop THISPremium
join:2002-10-06
Everywhere
·AT&T U-Verse
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Re: Telephone over CAT6 said by quatrix:said by howardfine:People still use landlines in their homes? People still hold tiny, uncomfortable cell phones with spotty reception and no handset-to-handset intercom and other features up to their ears and use prepaid minutes even for local calls? Hmmm... my iDen cells WITH Bluetooth have damn good reception and I can do handset-to-handset intercom with just the push of a button.
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 whizkid3Premium,MVM
join:2002-02-21
Queens, NY
kudos:9 | reply to medbuyer
said by medbuyer:The Leviton quickport connectors will accept RJ45 and RJ11 connectors. All 8 position jacks I know of will 'accept' 6 position modular plugs. Unfortunately, they will still be damaged from using 6 position connectors from many manufacturers - especially the cheap crappy ones that come on the cables with provided with the telephones. What is the sense in installing 8 position jacks, if the outer two pins will be destroyed? Why not install the right modular jacks in the first place? |
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| said by whizkid3:Why not install the right modular jacks in the first place?
We did it because there are jacks that will take booth, not be damaged and last, so its not the wrong jack. Second when we decided we did not want that to be a phone anymore or as we did last year changed for a digital analog system to a VOIP system all those lines became data just by changing them from going from the old system's panel to the patch to switch to the patch.
Also since you are only using 2 pair you can use the other 2 pair for intercom, or anything else you may like (within reason) |
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 TomekPremium
join:2002-01-30
Valley Stream, NY | reply to sr1nath
I would go to home depot, buy RJ11 jacks and make my own cable, with RJ45 on one end (wall) and RJ11 on another (phone)
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c4junkPremium
join:2004-05-08
Orlando, FL | reply to sr1nath
You can get wall plates with different jacks (phone, data, CATV)- do a search- or on most wall plates the jacks can be swapped out, so buy some dual rj45 plates and some dual rj11 plates and make your own. |
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said by Mr Anon :said by whizkid3:Why not install the right modular jacks in the first place?
We did it because there are jacks that will take booth, not be damaged and last, so its not the wrong jack. Second when we decided we did not want that to be a phone anymore or as we did last year changed for a digital analog system to a VOIP system all those lines became data just by changing them from going from the old system's panel to the patch to switch to the patch. Also since you are only using 2 pair you can use the other 2 pair for intercom, or anything else you may like (within reason) +1
...and how many times do you have to plug and un plug a phone wire from your wall plate that will incure damage to your Leviton quickport connector?
the beauty of that is I can switch to a different type of phone that may use an RJ45 without the hassle of changing the connector inside the wallplate.
I think Leviton made them to be able to withstand constant plug and un-plugging and prevent damage from either an RJ11 or RJ45 connectors.
Choose your connectors right the 1st time while doing it right the 1st time as well. |
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| said by medbuyer: ...and how many times do you have to plug and un plug a phone wire from your wall plate that will incure damage to your Leviton quickport connector? It's any motion on the cord that will allow it to move in the wider socket.
Now what are the chances a cord will not move over the years?
Considering the RJ11 ports are cheaper and easier to install and the proper use in this situation it baffles me why someone who is advised by people who do this for a living would do otherwise. But then on the other hand I won't turn down the repair work if this mentality prevails amongst consumers. |
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| said by xbell :said by medbuyer: ...and how many times do you have to plug and un plug a phone wire from your wall plate that will incure damage to your Leviton quickport connector? It's any motion on the cord that will allow it to move in the wider socket. Now what are the chances a cord will not move over the years? Considering the RJ11 ports are cheaper and easier to install and the proper use in this situation it baffles me why someone who is advised by people who do this for a living would do otherwise. But then on the other hand I won't turn down the repair work if this mentality prevails amongst consumers. the telephone wire that I have never moved in 5 years now. it's a wireless / cordless phone that I have so the base doesn't move at all. UNLESS you use a phone that still has the phone wire from the handset to the base, then it will have a higher probability that IT will move.
and IF it does need to be replaced, don't worry, I think consumers can change this easily and there's no need to call like somebody like you. I think the OP is capable enough to do it.
what is it with the new stuff that people can seem to adjust that it will take both connectors? it's not like what you think that there's too much play in there that it will damage the connectors.
even our new bldg. has the quickport connectors where an RJ45 resides on all wallplates and plugged in is an RJ11 for the phone system and RJ45 for pc / printer. |
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| said by medbuyer: the telephone wire that I have never moved in 5 years now. it's a wireless / cordless phone that I have so the base doesn't move at all. UNLESS you use a phone that still has the phone wire from the handset to the base, then it will have a higher probability that IT will move. You never cleaned the area?
All it takes is that one inadvertent movement. I've gone on calls where they swore up and down they never touched the cord or plugged anything in and out yet the cat or dog tangled with it. The chances are virtually nil of this happening if you do it right the first time. Do you not watch the reno oracle of the north Mike Holmes.
said by medbuyer: and IF it does need to be replaced, don't worry, I think consumers can change this easily and there's no need to call like somebody like you. I think the OP is capable enough to do it. Maybe but can they diagnose that easily. I can't even add up the 10s or even 100s of thousands I've made from something simple a customer could have changed like a cord, handset or any other of the hundreds of peripherals they plug in. The money gods shine bright on me when this happens or customers try to fix the problem they erroneously diagnosed and created a clusterfuk. |
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| said by xbell :You never cleaned the area?
All it takes is that one inadvertent movement. I've gone on calls where they swore up and down they never touched the cord or plugged anything in and out yet the cat or dog tangled with it. The chances are virtually nil of this happening if you do it right the first time. Do you not watch the reno oracle of the north Mike Holmes.
I only have 1 phone and it resides in a spot near our kitchen where I can wipe it everyday with no wire movement at all.
even using a duster won't make the wire wiggle that much. I guess you have to make a consideration for people who don't clean that much? |
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