KoRnGtL15Premium
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Grants Pass, OR | reply to Snowy
Re: Freeman getting pulled over in car for the first time Wrong. If you had watched the whole thing. He was exercising his rights. The police did not honor those rights and acted criminally. |
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 SnowymIRC unix.ro UnderNetPremium
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| said by KoRnGtL15:Wrong. If you had watched the whole thing. He was exercising his rights. The police did not honor those rights and acted criminally.
What I'm not aware of is why the guy got pulled over.
If he was stopped because of his race that's a disgrace.
Other than that scenario when I see a motorist demand 20,000 UK pounds to get out of his car claiming he doesn't 'work' for free is an asshole.
In ~3 minutes all I saw was the motorist choosing to escalate the situation. |
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 Dude111An Awesome DudePremium
join:2003-08-04
USA
kudos:11 | reply to KoRnGtL15
Well what he was doing Snowy was STANDING UP FOR HIS RIGHTS!! (Most ppl do not anymore and its sad)
Cops often treat ppl like crap and most people DO NOT TRY TO CHALLENGE IT.. |
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evoxllx
join:2007-06-07
Winter Park, FL | reply to Snowy
Re: Freeman getting pulled over in car for the first time said by Snowy:If he was stopped because of his race that's a disgrace.
There was no mention of race in any of those videos so I'm not sure why you'd bring that up... |
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SnowymIRC unix.ro UnderNetPremium
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| said by evoxllx:said by Snowy:If he was stopped because of his race that's a disgrace.
There was no mention of race in any of those videos so I'm not sure why you'd bring that up... I brought it up as a possible justification (if that was the case) for the guys behavior believing that if I were stopped because of the color of my skin I'd probably act like a jerk towards the traffic cop too. |
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SnowymIRC unix.ro UnderNetPremium
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Re: said by Dude111:Well what he was doing Snowy was STANDING UP FOR HIS RIGHTS!! (Most ppl do not anymore and its sad)
You're right. More people should embrace the rights were quickly losing.
I just don't believe it's necessary to look so petty & foolish doing it. |
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 PjrDon't Panic
join:2005-12-11
UK | reply to Snowy
Re: Freeman getting pulled over in car for the first time said by Snowy:What I'm not aware of is why the guy got pulled over.
It was probably because the car isn't taxed. I'd assume that an automatic number plate reader in the police car flagged it as being on the road illegally.
He admits that he doesn't have insurance or an MOT certificate and both are required when buying a tax disc.
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 jvmorrisI Am The Man Who Was Not There.Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-03
Reston, VA | I'm sorry but (and only half way through the second video), I have to agree with Pjr. In the UK, a vehicle must have a currently valid MOT, insurance, and a (currently valid) road tax disc if on a public roadway -- and this is independent of whether the vehicle is being 'operated' at the time. Furthermore, if a vehicle is being 'operated' on a public roadway (possibly with certain exceptions for farm vehicles -- not sure about that in the UK), then the 'operator' must be able to establish (and a driver's license does that well) that they have all the qualifications to operate such a vehicle. [Right about now, I'd be happy to see Paul Denton pop in and clarify what i've said above.]
Duly authorized law enforcement personnel do have the authority (and many would also say they have the responsibility to ask for proof that the above requirements have been satisfied. Apparently, this individual is missing one or more of these. (Cleverly edited out of the video, so it's hard to tell.] If there's any indication of racism, I certainly haven't seen it yet. Furthermore, it appears that the vehicle also has one other violation -- a large notice of some sort in the upper right hand of the windshield (windscreen for the Brits). It is also unclear to me (at this point) as to whether the vehicle has valid license plates (tags to us US peasants) affixed and visible. The plates are essentially 'permanent' in the UK and the authorities have a fairly large number of patrol vehicles that automatically read license plates and confirm that they are legitimate, valid and that all other requirements for operation on a public roadway have been satisified. Indeed, we have a similar system operating here in Northern Virginia; just two days ago, I saw a marked police car with three camera affixed to monitor license plates of following vehicles and the two adjacent lanes of traffic.
Since I do own, maintain, and operate a motor vehicle in the UK (as a US citizen) on a fairly regular basis, I made a point of finding all this out before I bought a vehicle and ensuring that all the requirements are fulfillled.
This has nothing to do with a 'right to travel' or the race/ethnic background of the person sitting behind the vehicle's controls.
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davePremium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
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Re: You mean his right to claim that (a) an "automobile" is not a "motor vehicle" despite the fact that it can be used for travelling and has an engine, and (b) he is on his "property", despite the fact that his motor vehicle is stopped on land that does not belong to him.
Note that at the end of the first clip, he claims the policeman was "belligerent", so add that to the list of words he doesn't understand.
The guy apparently has half-baked ideas about his "rights", which are not in fact rights - for example the right to move two- thousand pounds of metal at high speed without certification of being able to do so, and therefore at risk to others. |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | most automobiles don't have engines. (mine does, but that's why its called a hybrid) |
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| said by AVD:most automobiles don't have engines. (mine does, but that's why its called a hybrid)
Isn't an internal cumbustion engine defined (loosely) as a power source using fuel and an electric motor a power source powered by electricity? Most cars have engines, hybrids include electric motors. Or is this just a matter of semantics... |
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 Grail KnightQui audet adipisciturPremium
join:2003-05-31
Valhalla
kudos:6 | reply to KoRnGtL15
Re: Freeman getting pulled over in car for the first time What rights was he exercising? The right to break the law or the right to try and make easy money though his attempts to get the cop to lose control.
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jvmorrisI Am The Man Who Was Not There.Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-03
Reston, VA | I believe, after looking up his youtube page, he is trying to exercise the 'rights' of a freeman, which apparently has become a rejuvenated movement in the UK. In actuality, this is something of a travesty of the position taken by Freeborn John and the Levellers back before the US existed. (And Freeborn John is generally well regarded by the US Judiciary, being a regularly quoted source for Justice Hugo Black's findings.)
And back to your earlier post, he was not only breaking the law and knew it, he actually intended to do so. If you (like, yes, me) take the time to watch the entire hour long provocation (and waste of police time), you'll see he's driving around with all these 'documents' prepared ahead of time and lying in the passenger seat, just in case he gets stopped.
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 LeeBeeIt's Dark Out There
join:2003-06-18
Swissieland | The Queen thinks he's an idiot trying to play the system.
I'm sure he had his day in court and lost. And I'm sure he is conforming now and has his car back. Or lost it. |
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 KrisnatharokCaveat EmptorPremium
join:2009-02-11
Earth Orbit
kudos:7 | reply to Grail Knight
said by Grail Knight:What rights was he exercising? The right to break the law or the right to try and make easy money though his attempts to get the cop to lose control.
The 'right' to make himself look like a complete retard in front of the entire world (since no one can stop you) about his 'privilege' to operate a motor vehicle on a public road.
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KrisnatharokCaveat EmptorPremium
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Earth Orbit
kudos:7 | reply to jvmorris
said by jvmorris:I believe, after looking up his youtube page, he is trying to exercise the 'rights' of a freeman, which apparently has become a rejuvenated movement in the UK. In actuality, this is something of a travesty of the position taken by Freeborn John and the Levellers back before the US existed. (And Freeborn John is generally well regarded by the US Judiciary, being a regularly quoted source for Justice Hugo Black's findings.)
And back to your earlier post, he was not only breaking the law and knew it, he actually intended to do so. If you (like, yes, me) take the time to watch the entire hour long provocation (and waste of police time), you'll see he's driving around with all these 'documents' prepared ahead of time and lying in the passenger seat, just in case he gets stopped.
This sounds similar to the Sovereign Citizen movement in America, which is marked by radicals and cop-killers who won't hesitate to kill a police officer. They claim to be 'citizens of the world' with sovereign ID cards and are extremely dangerous to encounter.
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jvmorrisI Am The Man Who Was Not There.Premium,MVM
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Reston, VA | Okay, that would explain it. Think I saw a reference to a Sovereign Citizen type video on his youtube channel.
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LeeBeeIt's Dark Out There
join:2003-06-18
Swissieland | he seems entrenched in rebelry:
»www.thefreemanleague.com/ |
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Grail KnightQui audet adipisciturPremium
join:2003-05-31
Valhalla
kudos:6 | reply to Krisnatharok
I suppose that could be one reason. |
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I suspected from the start it was done on purpose thanks to a few telling factors in the video. Clarity, quality, and a lack of video detailing the act that got him pulled over.
*Edit* Corrected spelling of purpose.
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