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Re: Ebox 10 Gbits upgrade for Videotron TPIA said by diskace:Hi Guys, just wanted to keep you in the loop. We will be upgrading our 1 Gbits port with Videotron for a 10 Gbits port.
ETA 3 months from now for upgrade as Videotron router does not support 10 GE interfaces at the moment.
I'm not sure how to interpret this.
Are you more or less saying that you may not have enough capacity to service videotron users (like what happened to TSI) in February due to all the new sign-ups?
And fixing it so there is no congestion or slow-downs will only happen around May 1st?
This is what I am understanding from your post. |
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jfmezeiPremium
join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
kudos:22 | I didn't read it this way.
From what I had heard, no ISP current needs more than 1gpbs with Videotron. But a couple can see the day when they will. So I suspect there have been talks to see how Videotron would handle that.
Whle the long term solution will be 10gigE, it doesn't prevent an ISP from getting a second 1gbps link between now and then if the need arises.
Whether the install costs for a second gigE that will only be used for a few months are with it, I don't know. Each ISP has to decide if it is worth paying it to acquire customers now that you may not get if you tell them to wait a few months. |
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| said by jfmezei:I didn't read it this way.
I did. |
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 diskaceElectronic Box CEOPremium,VIP
join:2002-02-21 | reply to explain PLS
We are under capacity right now so don't worry. Our GigE links to Videotron POI is used at around 40% at peak so we expect to have enough capacity to grow for the next 3 months or so.
That is part of the reason why Electronic Box do not offer unlimited on faster speed tier than the 8 Mbits. We want to wait and see the impact before going full throttle.
We already have set a limit at which point we will stop selling no matter what until the upgrade to 10 GE is completed. No point in selling if it start affecting quality !
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| TY for clarifying. |
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jfmezeiPremium
join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
kudos:22 | reply to diskace
said by diskace: We want to wait and see the impact before going full throttle.
You might wish to avoid using the word "throttle" on DSLR. On the other hand, it may cause Rogers to start to love you  |
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diskaceElectronic Box CEOPremium,VIP
join:2002-02-21 | xcimo,
yes just good a feedback that they are awaiting engineering signature before forwarding back the contract and deploy. Should be within the delay announced for April 1st.
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said by diskace:We are under capacity right now so don't worry. Our GigE links to Videotron POI is used at around 40% at peak so we expect to have enough capacity to grow for the next 3 months or so. Going from 50GB Videotron-imposed/enforced cap to 250GB eBox cap could make the remaining 60% disappear overnight if enough existing subscribers hear about it and decide to loosen their download/streaming diet, you might not even need new subscribers.
I'm guessing the main reason you can say that is because you have very few "caps scrapers" (people who's usage is likely caps-constrained or otherwise governed by fear of overage fees) so you have no imminent reason to think this may turn on a dime. |
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diskaceElectronic Box CEOPremium,VIP
join:2002-02-21 | Obviously we don't have any stats yet but we have the DSL stats so we can extrapolate and add a fudge factor. We expect traffic to peak higher without the limits. However a lot of users were paying for usage blocks so they have more than the 50 GB caps so things should not get too wild. Will see.... and adjust accordingly.
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urby3
join:2010-05-21
Montreal, QC | said by diskace:Obviously we don't have any stats yet but we have the DSL stats so we can extrapolate and add a fudge factor. We expect traffic to peak higher without the limits. However a lot of users were paying for usage blocks so they have more than the 50 GB caps so things should not get too wild. Will see.... and adjust accordingly.
I just want to say that I think this is very professional of you (both this post and all your other ones). Split the $70 activation fee with me and I'm a customer for life unless you do something stupid like Teksavvy!  |
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
join:2009-06-15
START&Cogeco
kudos:6
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said by diskace:....That is part of the reason why Electronic Box do not offer unlimited on faster speed tier than the 8 Mbits.
We want to wait and see the impact before going full throttle....
Good careful policy, though I agree with JF to say something other than the word 'throttle' as that means something negative to many of us here, and something positive to folks like Rogers.
Warp 9, possibly ? 
Another worthwhile strategy in only offering unlimited usage on an 8Mb plan would be to find out how many subscribers consider the unlimited monthly usage spec more important than having a faster bandwidth than 8Mb, and vice versa.
If enough folks chose your 8/1/U tier, then it would be clear which factor matters most to that group.
I have not done the math, but you can still move quite a lot of data per month at 8Mb/s, and my feeling is that Angelo would approve.
Personally though, while there are times when I am quite impressed at being able to download at 30Mb/s on my current Cogeco arrangement, I would be pleased with a solid 8Mb/s without any monthly usage cap (still would be nearly double my old DSL bandwidth), but Cogeco does not offer any kind of beast like that for me to BBQ, so I chose a higher speed in order to get a higher cap (175GB/mo), and so far, so good, though it's $70/mo plus HST (open rate) to do that. |
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| said by Davesnothere:I have not done the math, but you can still move quite a lot of data per month at 8Mb/s, and my feeling is that Angelo would approve. Simple approximation: 1Mbps = up to 300GB/month.
So 8+1 = ~2.7TB/month.
IIRC, Angelo was pushing around 5TB/month at some point... so 8/1 would only get him half-way there, not sure he'd approve that |
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grunze510
join:2009-02-14
Cote Saint-Luc, QC
kudos:1 | said by InvalidError:said by Davesnothere:I have not done the math, but you can still move quite a lot of data per month at 8Mb/s, and my feeling is that Angelo would approve. Simple approximation: 1Mbps = up to 300GB/month. So 8+1 = ~2.7TB/month. IIRC, Angelo was pushing around 5TB/month at some point... so 8/1 would only get him half-way there, not sure he'd approve that It's 2.81TB (9000Kilobits/8bits*60seconds*60minutes*24hours*31days/1024MebiBytes/1024GibiBytes/1024TebiBytes). With the 15/1.5 Mbit/s speed tier, you can use as much as 5.14TB, so that would probably work out for him as long as he can theoretically afford paying EBox $2529/month (before tax). |
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diskaceElectronic Box CEOPremium,VIP
join:2002-02-21 | FYI, we will be replacing our core switch to support 10 Gbits and we are still debating if we should get the 40 Gbits uplink incase we order more than one 10 Gbits from Videotron and need to backhaul traffic to the Core. Ha man...network design. » www.extremenetworks.com/products···?refID=2--
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 AngeloThe Network GuyPremium
join:2002-06-18 | btw the bandwidth would be free... bc diskace would love to "test" his interewbs |
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said by diskace:we are still debating if we should get the 40 Gbits uplink incase we order more than one 10 Gbits from Videotron and need to backhaul traffic to the Core. Using 10G ports between switches/routers provides more cost-effective opportunities for fault-tolerance.
With only four 40G ports, you only have 120Gbps usable if you set aside the 4th port as a passive or active spare, that's only 1/10th the maximum attached capacity... so you might end up better off balancing interconnect between switches using 10G ports than the limited 40G ports if you might need non-blocking switching between two units.
As the brochure says, it is a top-of-rack switch, not a core network switch. Since you probably aren't going to reach 120Gbps any time soon, it should still do an adequate job in the meantime either way. |
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jfmezeiPremium
join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
kudos:22 | For cable, you could rate limit everyone to 8mbps between 20:00 and 23:00 and then let them lose on the speed they paid for for the rest of the day. |
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jfmezeiPremium
join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
kudos:22 | diskace, please think about having a switch between bell and your LNS so that when you add a new LNS, you can group the AHSSPIs into a LAG/LACP |
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| said by jfmezei:diskace, please think about having a switch between bell and your LNS so that when you add a new LNS, you can group the AHSSPIs into a LAG/LACP
We already have a switch between Bell ESU and ERX01.
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said by jfmezei:For cable, you could rate limit everyone to 8mbps between 20:00 and 23:00 and then let them lose on the speed they paid for for the rest of the day.
This sounds like a good temporary solution... I don't see how a 1GB link is gonna hold off 30 and 60mbit users for very long |
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