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Noah Vail
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Google to Mandate User Tracking - No Opt Out

I'm still getting my head around this. Please read on while I do.

WashPost has a regwall. Here's the entire article.

said by WashPost :

Google said Tuesday it will require users to allow the company to follow their activities across e-mail, search, YouTube and other services, a radical shift in strategy that is expected to invite greater scrutiny of its privacy and competitive practices.

The information will enable Google to develop a fuller picture of how people use its growing empire of Web sites. Consumers will have no choice but to accept the changes.

The policy will take effect March 1 and will also impact Android mobile phone users, who are required to log in to Google accounts when they activate their phones.

FAQ: What kind of data can Google collect and integrate? How will this affect me?

The changes comes as Google is facing stiff competition and recently disappointed investors for the first time in several quarters, failing last week to meet earnings expectations. Apple, perhaps its primary rival, is expected to announce strong earnings Tuesday.

Google’s changes are appeared squarely aimed at Apple and Facebook, which have been successful in keeping people in their ecosystem of products. Google, which makes money by selling ads tailored to its users, is hoping to do the same by offering a Web experience tailored to personal tastes.

“If you’re signed in, we may combine information you’ve provided from one service with information from other services,” Alma Whitten, Google’s director of privacy, product and engineering wrote in a blog post.

“In short, we’ll treat you as a single user across all our products which will mean a simpler, more intuitive Google experience,” she said.

After March 1, a user who has recently watched YouTube videos of the Washington Wizards might suddenly see basketball ticket ads appear in his or her Gmail accounts.

That person may also be reminded of a business trip to Washington on Google Calendar and asked whether he or she wants to notify friends who live in the area, information Google would cull from online contacts or its social network Google+.

Privacy advocates say Google’s changes betray users who are not accustomed to having their information shared across different Web sites.

A user of Gmail, for instance, may send messages about a private meeting with a colleague and may not want the location of that meeting to be thrown into Google’s massive cauldron of data or used for Google’s maps application.

Google recently settled a privacy complaint by the Federal Trade Commission after it allowed users of its now defunct social network Google Buzz to see contacts lists from its e-mail program.

Privacy advocates in recent weeks filed a separate complaint that Google deceived consumers by using information from its new social network Google+ in general search results.

Some worry about security. Gmail users, including some White House staff, last year were targeted by hackers who were able to breach the company’s e-mail accounts.

Google on Tuesday described its new business plan as changes in its privacy policy and terms of service for all its services except for Google Wallet, its Chrome browser and Google Books.

Google has also faced greater scrutiny that it is using its dominance in online search to favor its other applications. Google’s decision to blend Google+ data into search results has been included into a broad FTC antitrust investigation, according to a person familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is private.

Engineers from Twitter, Facebook and MySpace responded by launching a Web tool that they say shows Google is moving away from its stated mission to be a neutral Web directory.

On the Web site for the plug-in, the engineers wrote that searches for generic terms such as “movies” or “music” prioritize Google+ results over more relevant content.

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Some more info:
»marketingland.com/google-terms-o···icy-4293

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGghlPmebCY


It sounds like a good thing(as they sell it). 1 privacy policy for all products sounds way better than a separate policy for each of their products.

BUT - they are also giving themselves the right to combine all your info across all products in to one massive database on your internet use. And they are also setting things up so you only can use 1 account across all their products. Again to centralize all info about you. Of course, this is all about making it easier for them to target ads to you.
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nonymous
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reply to Noah Vail
Well I do not have an Android phone so I do not have that particual issue.

Plus I do use Google apps for email etc. Yet when I do not wished to be traced just logout so no issue there either.

So do not buy an Android phone and do not login on a PC if wish anonymous. Or if want to say keep your Youtube use separate from gmail make two accounts. There is always a way around it.


OZO
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reply to Noah Vail
Is there any limit in their obsession to spy on its users? Or may be in order to make even more money they want to be in my bed at night too?
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nonymous
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said by OZO:

Is there any limit in their obsession to spy on its users? Or may be in order to make even more money they want to be in my bed at night too?

Who knows may be the best time in bed you ever had. Plus it will be free. Do not even have to buy Google dinner. Just allow them to report on your performance and your likes and dislikes.


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said by OZO:

Is there any limit in their obsession to spy on its users? Or may be in order to make even more money they want to be in my bed at night too?

»pandodaily.com/2012/01/24/larry-···re-else/

CEO Larry Page .. had this to say to employees at a Friday staff event after the Search Plus Your World launch: “This is the path we’re headed down – a single unified, ‘beautiful’ product across everything. If you don’t get that, then you should probably work somewhere else.”

Page’s words signal a dramatic change in strategy and are oddly reminiscent of Baidu, the Chinese search engine with which Google doesn’t normally like to be associated. Baidu has long augmented its search results with promotions and offers from its in house products, in sort of a mix of search and portal approach.

Google built its empire on relevancy, and by giving us results that are doctored, that product is in jeopardy.

They now also include in search, info from anything sent to you on a Google+ acct as well as emails, etc. A health nut friend sent me a link on Vitamin D. A search on Vitamin D by me then returns info in Google+, email, etc. The question is - has Google now saved my search request and the private msg results to further target you for ads?

Here is what a SPYW search result looks like:



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Juggernaut
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Using ABP, and NoScript, I never see ads anymore. If I wanted to see ads, I wouldn't use them.

However, being forced to use Google+ really frosts me. I don't care for the social network crapola, and never have. I deleted my FB account as soon as that option was available a few years ago. Until then, it was locked down, and suspended.

Glad I use texting instead of email these days! I never thought I'd say that...



ltsnow
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reply to Noah Vail
I would never have an account so I really don't care. Just use the searches and don't worry about it.



Robotics
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reply to Noah Vail
Yeah, I saw that stuff earlier. I just might have to get rid of my Android phone. Hate to see it go, but I am getting tired of Google/YouTube more and more.
Unfortunately I have a great channel on YT, and put a lot of time into it with videos and such. But this crap from Google is getting out of hand damnit. I havent got over the fact they are going to change their layout on YT March 1st. That one really pisses me off, along with thousands of others out there.
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Juggernaut
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My 'pure Google' device has been on the shelf for quite a while now. I just use my BB these days.



Robotics
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I still have my original BB Bold (in mint condition) Man this is getting very tempting.



Juggernaut
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Once you go Black(berry), you'll never go back!



Robotics
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lol


OZO
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reply to Robotics

said by Robotics:

Yeah, I saw that stuff earlier. I just might have to get rid of my Android phone. Hate to see it go, but I am getting tired of Google/YouTube more and more.

And not only that. If you use Maps, there is always intrusive Latitude (share your location with Google in real time), Navigation (requires sending real time route to Google, no off-line support) and other services. And the worst thing is - in Android many of them try to run all the time. For example in my "smart" phone I can't get rid of YouTube, Maps, and others similar. They're just restarted automatically, all the time... Android phone becomes just a tracking device and you can do almost nothing about it.
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Juggernaut
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You can, but you have to root it, and then firewall it.

What a joke. It's a damn phone! Don't even get me started about app permissions...



Robotics
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reply to OZO
Your so right. I use mapquest on my Android (works great), and dont even launch google maps. Well it seems to be running a lot of the times, but I don't use it. I also keep the gps off. (guess that means its off) And also turned off the "use wireless networks" feature.

But for all I know they turn them self's on when they want. Just starting not to be able to trust google much anymore.
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carpetshark3
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I am rooted. Maps has been frozen. Titanium backup is great.

Just deleted photos from Picasa, and Blogger. Will not post anything on + if they start an account.

I have a Flickr account, and looking at Posterous.

Can't delete GMail and Market. I like and use my astronomy apps and Audubon guidebooks.


ke4pym
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reply to Noah Vail

Google pissed me off when they started auto logging me in to search and Youtube. So, I did some research.

By adding these rules to ABP:
»apis.google.com/js/plusone.js
||plusone.google.com/u/0/_/+1/*
||*.google.*^$domain=youtube.com

And blocking all cookies from www.google.com, I now have a nice anonymous experience with Youtube and Google search.

You do have to delete your cookies when adding the items above.


Anon users

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Android OS is almost total BS

Updating your android OS version probably won't save you MUCH, even Cyanogen Mod ROMs are still baddddddddddd

For instance in the latest 2.3.7, the openssl version is still 1.0.0.a (latest 1.0.0.f) did Google really patch & update your Android: openvpn users, that 1.0.0a openssl has defects in UDP TLS (DTLS) handling. what security is there for your smartaXX phone......

The WebKit NEVER updates to the latest version (come on Chrome pacthes a lot everyday): Your phone browser will help Big Brother to ROOT you...



siljaline
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reply to Noah Vail
Spotted elsewhere

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