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Re: Actiontec MI424WR FIOS N Router REV. I I noticed that there is a later firmware out for me, so I am going to try to flash the unit with it. Perhaps it is causing this issue.
Again, just want to make sure before doing any of this that my WNDR3700 should be connected from any one of the 4 LAN ports into any one of the LAN ports of the Actiontec. Correct? |
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| said by Mystiky4:Again, just want to make sure before doing any of this that my WNDR3700 should be connected from any one of the 4 LAN ports into any one of the LAN ports of the Actiontec. Correct?
Yes, that's correct.
Since the ping failed, I'm guessing the client must have gotten its IP from the actiontec before you moved it to the guest network.
At any rate... After a firmware update and resetting to defaults, let us know how it goes. |
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I actually have decided to run down to the local Staples and pickup a WNDR4500.
I am afraid to mess with the WNDR3700, as it has been very stable for me and I have heard a lot of troubles wabout the other firmware to try on it. So, maybe it is indeed time for an upgrade of more major proportions and the WNDR4500 has had nothing but praise from folks.
I promise to let you all know what happens.
In the meantime, I realize that I have another problem. I have an old Brother Laser Printer, which is connected directly by Ethernet to the WNDR3700 (or future WNDR4500). So now that Actiontec is the primary router and the WNDR3700 is only AP, will I still be able to print to it? My Actiontec is located 100 feet from my Brother printer, so there is no way in heck will I run a physical cable that far.
Any solutions for that one while I shop? |
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What build are you using? I tried dd-wrt on a 3700 several months ago, but the wireless on both radios was flaky/unstable, and the range and throughput were less than the stock firmware. After hours of tweaking I gave up, put the Netgear firmware back on, and took it back to Fry's. Sounds like the newer builds may have fixed that?
I've experimented with OpenWrt on the 3800, and it works pretty well. I don't think there's a dd-wrt build for it yet. |
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The printer should work fine. If it gets a DHCP-assigned address from the 3700, it should be able to get one from the Actiontec via the 3700 configured as a bridge. |
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I don't have the 3700 set up right now - perhaps my next project is to set it up again. When I retired it, it was running a build from about 6 months ago. I was getting ~270mps connection rates, but I've never tested the wireless range against stock firmware. When I bought it, the stock firmware didn't even support separate wireless ID's on the two radios, I went from stock to the upgraded Netgear to DD-WRT within hours of purchase about 2 years ago. I will say that getting DD-WRT working on it isn't intuitive. Turning on the 5 Ghz radio in "N/A only" and then returning to the same menu to tweak the other radio is NOT for the novice home router user. |
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| Well, I guess I might have spoken too soon. I decided to power down the WNDR4500 and after doing so, and even clicking on AP mode and setting DNS's to 192.168.1.1, as suggested, the guest account has again stopped working. It connects but no browsing on iPhone or another PC. I tried to reboot the clients but the issue remains.
I am just baffled.
P.S. And my netowrk still cannot find my Ethernet-connected printer anymore. It's now plugged into the WNDR4500. |
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| I'm at a loss as well. I'd reset to defaults and start from scratch.
1) Reset to factory defaults
2) Connect 4500 WAN to Actiontec LAN
4) The 4500 should sense its subnet is the same as the AT, and change to 10.0.0.x
5) Go through the initial 4500 setup. Tell it to configure the internet connection automatically. It should say it did that successfully, then give you an option to "go to the internet" or somesuch.
6) Click on that option, you should then get another Netgear page. For some reason I can't explain, this seems to be important to the whole process.
7) Disconnect the 4500 WAN from the Actiontec LAN.
8) Change the 4500 to "AP Mode." Leave the defaults in place, i.e., don't specify an IP, or netmask, or default route, and don't change the DNS settings.
9) Apply the change.
10) Wait about 30 seconds, turn off the 4500.
11) Connect a 4500 LAN port to an Actiontec LAN port.
12) Turn the 4500 back on.
It should get a DNS address from the actiontec, and you should be able to ping it. Log back into the 4500 and try the wireless networks again. |
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| reply to Mystiky4
Since you are using the same router as mine, it should work. I would suggest a full factory reset using WebGUI and starting from scratch as claibourne said.
Regarding your printer, can you try reinstalling the printer software/driver and selecting an option to discover it by name rather than IP address? I have a Brother printer that is installed in this manner and it does not matter what the IP address is. |
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One more thing. Try renewing the IP on the phone (by shutting it off and turning it back on) and the PC itself (i.e., on the PC: "ipconfig /release" and then "ipconfig/renew") |
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said by claibourne:I'm at a loss as well. I'd reset to defaults and start from scratch.
1) Reset to factory defaults
2) Connect 4500 WAN to Actiontec LAN
4) The 4500 should sense its subnet is the same as the AT, and change to 10.0.0.x
5) Go through the initial 4500 setup. Tell it to configure the internet connection automatically. It should say it did that successfully, then give you an option to "go to the internet" or somesuch.
6) Click on that option, you should then get another Netgear page. For some reason I can't explain, this seems to be important to the whole process.
7) Disconnect the 4500 WAN from the Actiontec LAN.
8) Change the 4500 to "AP Mode." Leave the defaults in place, i.e., don't specify an IP, or netmask, or default route, and don't change the DNS settings.
9) Apply the change.
10) Wait about 30 seconds, turn off the 4500.
11) Connect a 4500 LAN port to an Actiontec LAN port.
12) Turn the 4500 back on.
Good morning. For some reason DSLReports had some issues last night, so I can only write back right now.
I did steps up to #7, but then I got confused and want to make sure I understand this correctly. Before I disconnected the 4500 WAN from the Actiontec LAN, should I manualy do the rest of my setup changes like change the router IP to 192.168.1.2, create my real wifi passwords, disable DHCP, UPnp, etc. OR should I not touch any of those and continue with steps 8-11?
The problem is that I think that unless I do my manual changes (at some point before disconnecting from WAN) my WNDR4500 router won't work as both Actiontect and WNDR4500 will think that they are the same router as they both are on 192.168.1.1 as default.
If I should make these manual changes, at what step point?
Also, is that "another Netgear page, which seem important" this one?
As far as the printer, I will deal with that later. Hopefully after this "Guest" issue has been solved!
Thank you ALL again for trying to help me here. |
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| If you've made it through step 6, your PC connected to the 4500 will be on the 10.0.0.x subnet, and the 4500 WAN is on 192.168.1.x, so disconnecting the 4500 WAN won't disconnect you from it.
After removing the WAN cable from the 4500, log back into it using 10.0.0.1 as the address. Then, as I mentioned, go to the advanced wireless settings and enable AP Mode. Leave the default settings for AP Mode alone, i.e., don't give it an IP or netmask or change the DNS settings.
After you've applied the change, wait 30 seconds, turn the 4500 off, attach the cable you had previously attached to its WAN port to a LAN port instead. Then power it back on.
It should get an address via DHCP from the actiontec. You may have to check the actiontec to see what address it's using. Then use that address to connect to the web gui, and set up your wireless settings. |
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| Good afternoon!
All was done without a hitch, HOWEVER, as you correctly predicted I needed to go to the Actiontec to see where it placed the WNDR4500. It looks to be on 192.168.1.25 but when I tried to go there, it was not found. So I re-examined the list and saw something on 192.168.1.26 and it is on there!
Before I change anything (change my wireless security/codes and try Guest account on), I am attaching here 3 images. One of the Actiontec and two of what the WNDR4500 is showing me.
1) Why is WNDR4500 still showing DHCP ON at the home screen?
2) Should I leave the internal IP for WNDR4500 as 192.168.1.26?
3) If so, if I will ever need to reboot the Actiontec and/or WNDR4500, will it then be again assigned the .26 or will I have to go through this whole process?
4) Since UnPN part is greyed out (assuming because I am in AP mode), I guess it is Off?
I am waiting for further word before touching anything else. |
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| Claibourne.
You should definately try the WNDR4500, especially if you can return it within 30 days. Really good and reviews on it from everywhere, including Maximum PC:
»www.maximumpc.com/article/review···r_review
Those Maximum PC guys loved the WNDR3700, hated the WNDR3800 and really like this new WNDR4500.
They did correct that there are two USB 2.0 ports, rather than the USB 3.0 as they initially reported. And the slow USB transfer rates were fixed with the .70 firmware.
Now, back to my network / guest account bugs... |
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said by Mystiky4:1) Why is WNDR4500 still showing DHCP ON at the home screen?
2) Should I leave the internal IP for WNDR4500 as 192.168.1.26?
3) If so, if I will ever need to reboot the Actiontec and/or WNDR4500, will it then be again assigned the .26 or will I have to go through this whole process?
4) Since UnPN part is greyed out (assuming because I am in AP mode), I guess it is Off?
I have tried "AP mode" with the IP and DNS settings left to be auto. It still works.
1) Mine is shown as "ON" too.
2) Yes.
3) I would leave it and go into Actiontec and give the WNDR4500 a static address at .26. It should be under "IP DIstribution" (Connection List; Action; Edit) in Advanced Settings of the Actiontec.
4) I left UPnP ON in both the Actiontec and the Netgear (before clicking "AP mode") since I need it for my PS3. |
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1 edit | said by rhdcheme:said by Mystiky4:3) If so, if I will ever need to reboot the Actiontec and/or WNDR4500, will it then be again assigned the .26 or will I have to go through this whole process?
3) I would leave it and go into Actiontec and give the WNDR4500 a static address at .26. It should be under "IP DIstribution" (Connection List; Action; Edit) in Advanced Settings of the Actiontec. Great. I have gone ahead an changed it to Static. What about the 192.168.1.25 address? Should I also make it Static, as for some reason that the IP for what Actiontec thinks the WNDR4500 is on (but in reality it's .26)?
After getting this answer from you, I will attempt to make all of my changes on the WNDR4500 pertaining to my Guest issues.
Thanks,
Michael |
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| That is weird. Did you first connect using the WAN port of the WNDR4500 and then the LAN port? You should only connect using the LAN port.
Mine shows as "WNDR4500." Set that one to static. |
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Which address can you access the WNDR4500 GUI? IS it 25 or 26? THat one should be set to static so that you can readily know the IP address of the WNDR. |
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I did initially connect the WNDR4500 via WAN port, as it was required for "steps 1-6" in your original message in going back and resetting my setup. Then at "step 11" I reconnected the same cable into the LAN port of the WNDR4500. |
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