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Re: CarrierIQ: Most Phones Ship With "Rootkit"

said by FF4me :

A different POV, FWIW:

Carrier IQ Unfairly Targeted, Researchers Say:

Carrier IQ’s self-named tracking software doesn’t record the contents of a user’s data and is being unfairly targeted by the media and hysterical users, according to several security researchers who have conducted further analysis on the software.

From that article:
quote:
“The application does not record and transmit keystroke data back to carriers,” Dan Rosenberg, a security consultant at Virtual Security Research, told CNET on Friday. “They’re not recording keystroke information, they’re using keystroke events as part of the application.”
"They're not looking at all the data sent by Cyber IQ."
quote:
That said, Rosenberg also added that “the fact that there are hooks in these events suggests that future versions may abuse this type of functionality, and CIQ should be held accountable and be under close scrutiny so that this type of privacy invasion does not occur. But all the recent noise on this is mostly unfounded.”
"But they can."
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Carrier IQ Interview - 2nd December 2011:

More than 48 hours after a software developer posted evidence Carrier IQ monitored the key taps on more than 141 million smartphones, a company official has come forward to rebut the disturbing allegations. And he's provided enough technical detail to convince The Register the diagnostics software doesn't represent a privacy threat to handset owners.

“To answer your point, we're on a fishing boat out at sea and we're catching fish that are too small and they go back in,” Coward explained. “And they go back in for two reasons: One, the holes in the net don't catch small fish, i.e. the filtering, and/or the fish is the wrong type and it gets thrown out of the boat, hopefully while it's still alive.”

The interview came as Carrier IQ faced four lawsuits and a request by a US lawmaker for an investigation by the Federal Trade Commission.

What follows are highlights from The Register's interview with Coward...



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European regulators start investigating Carrier IQ - December 5, 2011:

Organizations and regulators across Europe, including Germany, have started looking into the use of Carrier IQ's tracking software, to ensure that mobile phone vendors and operators are not violating users' privacy.

RIM doesn't install CarrierIQ on their BlackBerry smartphones but T-Mobile does - 4 Dec 2011

T-Mobile has gone against the grain and does indeed have CarrierIQ installed on three of their in market BlackBerry smartphones.

• BlackBerry Bold 9900
• BlackBerry Curve 9360
• BlackBerry Torch 9810

Got Carrier IQ? At least three apps can tell the answer - December 4, 2011


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Questions: Do older phones have this CarrierIQ or similiar? Or is it only the newer ones? Is there a list?



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Google's Schmidt Slams Carrier IQ - Dec 9, 2011:

Google Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt has criticized Carrier IQ, the maker of a controversial app that secretly collects personal info from smartphones, but also says that Google can't do anything to prevent the software from being installed on Android devices by handset makers and wireless carriers.

Calling the software a "keylogger'--a label that Carrier IQ rejects--Schmidt explained that Android is an open operating system and, as such, Google cannot prevent the software from being installed on phones running the OS. Schmidt revealed this in a speech at a Google-sponsored conference on Internet freedom in The Hague Thursday.

"Android is an open platform, which means people can make software for it that's not very good for you," Schmidt said Thursday, according to The Telegraph.

"This [Carrier IQ] appears to be one [such case]," Schmidt added.

Apple admitted that the program does exist on iPhones, but says that the app has been disabled and will be removed during the next software update.



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If I have a smartphone and I don't have the data package,
how does Carrier IQ track the urls that I didn't have access to
in the first place?

Is this story just a little bit over blown?
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If you use wifi, you can be tracked. If the SW can access contacts, who you called etc., it can be transmitted.

Overblown? No, because if someone can get away with this, they'll push harder next time for more. These things have to be nipped in the bud immediately.

I won't DL any Android app that has too many permissions for what the app does, or what it needs to function.



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»FBI May Have Used CarrierIQ Data



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Mobile Banking Compromised by Carrier IQ - December 13, 2011:

How to Protect Your Mobile Banking Sessions

So how can you ensure your mobile banking sessions are protected from third-party eyes?

The truth is that accessing any kind of sensitive data, whether it’s your e-mails, bank accounts or personal contacts, is put at risk when you do it online. While Carrier IQ probably has the capability to see a lot more than you’d like, it’s up to the carrier to determine what types of information they want to obtain. Does Sprint have any interest in your personal photos, text messages or bank info? Not likely.

That said, online security is definitely a growing issue, but we regularly trade privacy and safety for the convenience and immediacy technology has to offer. So if you’re worried about the security of your personal banking information, there’s no magic solution to the Carrier IQ issue: The only surefire way to protect your finances and other personal information is to keep it offline.



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As I've noted in the past, private industry gathers much more information on people than the government, and is not shy about using it for purposes other than those stated to the victims.

All the government needs to do is buy it - or just ask.
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The Feds did misuse the data



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While I believe they likely did, to be fair the article only says this:

quote:
MuckRock’s conclusion is that it’s likely that the FBI is using data gathered by Carrier IQ in an investigation – unless, of course, it’s Carrier IQ that’s under investigation.
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Some interesing info »www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/12/ca···itecture



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Carrier IQ admits to collecting text messages:

Carrier IQ ... has said it inadvertently collected some SMS messages as the result of a software bug.



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I put cyanogen modes on all my att phones. Didnt want their bloatware. Now this is even more incentive,



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They may be saving some face



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From the New York Times Carrier IQ Denies It Is Under Investigation:

Carrier IQ, which makes software that monitors mobile phone users, says it is not being investigated by the Federal Trade Commission, despite a report in The Washington Post that said the federal investigators were looking into the company.

“We were misquoted in The Washington Post,” says Mira Woods, a Carrier IQ spokeswoman. “We are not under investigation.”

Two Carrier IQ executives, Larry Lenhart and Andrew Coward, flew to Washington on Wednesday to meet with regulators at the Federal Trade Commission and Federal Communications Commission, but Ms. Woods maintained that the trip was not because the company is under investigation.

“We sought the meetings with F.C.C. and F.T.C. in the interest of transparency and full disclosure,” Ms. Woods said.



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I have 3 smart phones, all originals when they first came out years ago.
Blackberry Curve (original)
Droid (original)
Blackberry Bold (original)

All on Verizon.

None have this software after trying a few of the programs out there that claim they can detect it.

After reading all this, I am convinced I don't need to upgrade to a (better/faster) phone.
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Unless already posted Gizmodo has a complete list of phones that have the Carrier IQ spyware.

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