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"PCTEL has developed an antenna that will allow existing high precision users to retrofit their GPS devices to make them compatible with LightSquared's network. This antenna provides high precision GPS users with another in a series of solutions to make their equipment LightSquared-compatible."
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Utica, MI | There are plenty of high precession GPS receivers that have the receiver and antenna integrated into the same housing. This won't work for them... |
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| said by mix:There are plenty of high precession GPS receivers that have the receiver and antenna integrated into the same housing. This won't work for them...
Exactly right, The antennas shown are huge by comparison and not designed for portable use. Again if you have a hand held GPS device you are screwed. 
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Re: Total Bovine Scatology said by Transmaster:the average Joe, back country Ranger, Search and Rescue person with the pocket Garmin, Tom-Tom car navigation system, or any other portable GPS receiver is screwed.
Why is this a problem? How many technology advances over the years has caused end users to upgrade or be left behind? Heck, just look at the analog / digital television swap of a few years ago. When new software comes out do you get pissed when you need to upgrade your machine to run it? Should all technology advances stop where they are at this point?
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kudos:2 | said by swintec:said by Transmaster:the average Joe, back country Ranger, Search and Rescue person with the pocket Garmin, Tom-Tom car navigation system, or any other portable GPS receiver is screwed.
Why is this a problem? How many technology advances over the years has caused end users to upgrade or be left behind? Heck, just look at the analog / digital television swap of a few years ago. When new software comes out do you get pissed when you need to upgrade your machine to run it? Should all technology advances stop where they are at this point? You can't be for real. We're not talking a technology advance. We're talking about using the same technology others have deployed in a swath of spectrum never intended for this purpose and hugely impacts public interests. They bought spectrum intended for sat to ground communication and are not happy they are stuck with that.
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said by swintec:said by Transmaster:the average Joe, back country Ranger, Search and Rescue person with the pocket Garmin, Tom-Tom car navigation system, or any other portable GPS receiver is screwed.
Why is this a problem? How many technology advances over the years has caused end users to upgrade or be left behind? Heck, just look at the analog / digital television swap of a few years ago. When new software comes out do you get pissed when you need to upgrade your machine to run it? Should all technology advances stop where they are at this point? That is so much garbage it's hard to explain how bad it is. GPS band interference isn't an advancement, it's regress. Future devices will depend on the GPS band to advance into better devices, so Lightsquared interference in the GPS band will cause REGRESS and IMPEDE ADVANCEMENT. Needing to get more expensive equipment to have inferior service for something that was working PERFECTLY WELL BEFORE THE INTERFERENCE is not an UPGRADE; it is a DOWNGRADE. |
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| I see it as an upgrade if their mobile broadband will be as good as they say AND it will cover the many areas they claim. As the OP stated.they seem t be willing to work with the industries to get their equipment working so that leaves the end users left to decide how they want to proceed with their own equipment. You can either upgrade or don't, just like everything else over the years that has been altered.
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said by swintec:said by Transmaster:the average Joe, back country Ranger, Search and Rescue person with the pocket Garmin, Tom-Tom car navigation system, or any other portable GPS receiver is screwed.
Why is this a problem? How many technology advances over the years has caused end users to upgrade or be left behind? Except this isn't a "technology advance." This is mitigation, and probably poor mitigation, at that, for an induced problem that need not occur.
Btw: Our five-year-old, going on six, marine GPS is still fine, thankyouverymuch. It does not need to be replaced. It does not need hardware upgrades. All it needs is occasional chart updates and possibly occasional firmware updates. So I should go out and pay another $500 or $600 for a new marine GPS when the one I have is just fine, just so LightSquared and their investors can make money? Is that your argument? Really?
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| said by jseymour:o I should go out and pay another $500 or $600 for a new marine GPS when the one I have is just fine, just so LightSquared and their investors can make money?
No, you should go out and buy another because (I assume) you want to continue having navigation on the water? Your choice though really.
How many folks had to buy digital adapters for their TVs JUST so the government could make money auctioning off the analog airwaves? Where were you on that one? Maybe the government will send out a voucher or two to help you out, I dont know.
This isnt just so Lightsquared can make cash, I look at it as much of the country will be getting decent data speeds where previously it was broadband black holes. It will give many areas another player for internet services. I am sure you have read this site long enough to see people whining about the evil monopoly and duopoly of their town and city.
Of course I am basing this off of what Ligthsquared is telling us about what they will be able to produce for a working network.
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1 edit | said by swintec:How many folks had to buy digital adapters for their TVs JUST so the government could make money auctioning off the analog airwaves? Where were you on that one? Maybe the government will send out a voucher or two to help you out, I dont know. You mean digital TV, the standard which was developed in 1995 and it took until 2009 before NTSC was shutdown. It took many years to allow an orderly transition with new supporting products to become readily available and minimize as much disruptions as possible to the user community. LightSquared wants the same thing done in basically one year.
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This isnt just so Lightsquared can make cash, I look at it as much of the country will be getting decent data speeds where previously it was broadband black holes. It will give many areas another player for internet services. I am sure you have read this site long enough to see people whining about the evil monopoly and duopoly of their town and city.
The problem is LightSquared's network will not improve rural coverage. They have only one satellite in orbit, which will offer minimal capacity and speeds. It's only used as a loophole in their lease agreements regarding terrestrial service. And they are are so cash-poor they need to utilize Sprint's existing infrastructure but even then, the only way they can raise that money is if they are given the go ahead to utilize their full 20 MHz, which in testing has already shown to render GPS useless in the vast majority in the USA.
And it is essentially about LightSquare making cash. Harbinger pad somewhere around $2 billion for the bankrupt company that leased this spectrum. This spectrum is only worth this much due to significant limitations imposed on it, especially in regards to terrestrial operations and interference with GPS and other users. If they are able to convert it to full terrestrial use, then the value shoots way up. Verizon paid about $10 billion for roughly an equivalent amount of spectrum in the last auction. |
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said by swintec:said by jseymour:o I should go out and pay another $500 or $600 for a new marine GPS when the one I have is just fine, just so LightSquared and their investors can make money?
No, you should go out and buy another because (I assume) you want to continue having navigation on the water? Your choice though really. How many folks had to buy digital adapters for their TVs JUST so the government could make money auctioning off the analog airwaves? Where were you on that one? Maybe the government will send out a voucher or two to help you out, I dont know. This isnt just so Lightsquared can make cash, I look at it as much of the country will be getting decent data speeds where previously it was broadband black holes. It will give many areas another player for internet services. I am sure you have read this site long enough to see people whining about the evil monopoly and duopoly of their town and city. Of course I am basing this off of what Ligthsquared is telling us about what they will be able to produce for a working network. So, you would be fine if I set a WISP next to your house and stepped on all the unlicensed bands, but left say the 900MHz band alone? Then give you the kicker that if you upgrade all your equipment to 900MHz gear it'll work fine if you want to not be sent back to the corded age, your choice, though really? Hilarious, yes. But I am only going on your assertions that private companies should be able to do whatever the hell they want, provided they let you pay to mitigate the interference.
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said by swintec:said by Transmaster:the average Joe, back country Ranger, Search and Rescue person with the pocket Garmin, Tom-Tom car navigation system, or any other portable GPS receiver is screwed.
Why is this a problem? How many technology advances over the years has caused end users to upgrade or be left behind? Heck, just look at the analog / digital television swap of a few years ago. When new software comes out do you get pissed when you need to upgrade your machine to run it? Should all technology advances stop where they are at this point? LOL, in the business world you dont upgrade unless there is some new great feature to get.
Companies out there are using software like autocad that could be 10 years old (they have no reason to upgrade). They use equipment 15 years old that runs with DOS, win95, etc because they have no benefit to upgrade.
A company could have 10 year old GPS gear that makes them a fortune. Without lightsquared they can use that same gear as is forever. With lightsquare and its foreign CEO they would be forced to buy new gear for no good reason.
Companies buy something to get the job done. If the job required does not change then they can keep using old gear that gets the job done forever. They are not going to buy new gear that does the same thing as the old stuff that still works.
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said by swintec:said by jseymour:o I should go out and pay another $500 or $600 for a new marine GPS when the one I have is just fine, just so LightSquared and their investors can make money?
No, you should go out and buy another because (I assume) you want to continue having navigation on the water? Your choice though really. How about instead we don't allow LightSquared to trash the GPS system just so they can make metric butt-loads of money for themselves and their investors?
Yeah, I think I like that solution much better.
said by swintec:How many folks had to buy digital adapters for their TVs JUST so the government could make money auctioning off the analog airwaves? Apples:Oranges. With digital TV we received benefit: We ended-up with many more channels, HDTV, digital sound and other benefits. For most: Also better pictures, even at SD. With LightSquared's trashing of the GPS system: For our replacement expense we'd end up with GPS equipment that would still work about the same as our stuff that used to work just fine--if we were lucky and not too close to one of LightSquared's terrestrial transmitters.
said by swintec:Where were you on that one? Maybe the government will send out a voucher or two to help you out, I dont know. We'd purchased a small (by todays standards, anyway) widescreen TV with built-in ATSC tuner far in advance of the switch. You see: Our old TV was, well, old. Old and wearing out. It still had a decent picture, but not that great. And we were tired of having to ask, when renting a DVD, "is it wide-screen?" all the time. For our money we received all the benefits I cataloged above, plus a slightly larger screen, diagonally measured.
For our re-spent $$$ on a replacement GPS receiver we'd have... just what we had before.
said by swintec:I am sure you have read this site long enough to see people whining about the evil monopoly and duopoly of their town and city. If you actually knew anything about how any of this stuff worked, you'd know two things: 1. What LightSquared is proposing absolutely will not prevent their interference with the GPS system. Their suggestions they will violates the laws of physics. They may reduce it, depending upon the receiver's distance from one of LightSquared's powerful land-based transmitters, but eliminate it they will not. 2. You are never, ever going to replace the performance possibilities of "wired" network connections with wireless. At least not with our current understanding of (here's that pesky word again) physics.
said by swintec:Of course I am basing this off of what Ligthsquared is telling us ...
Yeah, and they would never mislead us, would they? 
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What if your marine GPS was instead a high precision GPS unit that cost between $10K and $20K and you own between 3 and 7 of them like most SE Michigan land survey companies? Would you be pissed? |
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| said by mix:What if your marine GPS was instead a high precision GPS unit that cost between $10K and $20K and you own between 3 and 7 of them like most SE Michigan land survey companies? Would you be pissed?
What if my marine GPS led me astray, our boat became hard-grounded while trying to sail for safe harbour before an on-coming storm, we ended-up capsizing in the storm, and the crew all died from drowning or hypothermia because rescue wasn't able to arrive in time because the DSC emergency call data from the GPS was invalid?
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said by swintec:said by jseymour:o I should go out and pay another $500 or $600 for a new marine GPS when the one I have is just fine, just so LightSquared and their investors can make money?
No, you should go out and buy another because (I assume) you want to continue having navigation on the water? Your choice though really. How many folks had to buy digital adapters for their TVs JUST so the government could make money auctioning off the analog airwaves? Where were you on that one? Maybe the government will send out a voucher or two to help you out, I dont know. you really want to use digital tv as an example? ok, here goes, i live in the middle of the city, before "the switch" my tv's worked fine, i could get local stations with rabbit ears. after "the switch" ? i cant get OTA tv with out installing a mast mount outdoor antenna.
so that was a poor example because it basically emphasized what every one is saying, that this "change" is not for the better. |
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| said by thedragonmas:you really want to use digital tv as an example? ok, here goes, i live in the middle of the city, before "the switch" my tv's worked fine, i could get local stations with rabbit ears. after "the switch" ? i cant get OTA tv with out installing a mast mount outdoor antenna.
so that was a poor example because it basically emphasized what every one is saying, that this "change" is not for the better.
Nope, sorry. jseymour  says that the digital switch was perfect because HE benefited from it and got something good from it in the end. He doesnt care that YOU (and many others) were adversely affected from it. He is against Lightsquared because he will personally be affected negatively (along with others).
Funny how there is a two way street for everything isnt it? 
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| said by swintec:Nope, sorry. jseymour says that the digital switch was perfect because HE benefited from it and got something good from it in the end. jseymour never asserted any such thing. What jseymour did assert was there was benefit to be realized on the part of TV users by the switch to digital whereas, with the LightSquared situation, consumers would have to spend money just to get what they already have.
Not only did jseymour not assert that "the digital switch was perfect," but, post-switch, jseymour, not unlike thedragonmas, found himself with two or three stations that were marginal every time the wind and rain blows--a problem he never had before. One station is beyond "marginal"--becoming thoroughly unwatchable at times.
However jseymour has observed that he appeared to be in the minority, with respect to the above, and so concluded that most people likely benefited from the switch, even if it was not a resounding success for him.
Your not going to win by making stuff up, swintec.
Nor are you going to win by tearing down your own arguments
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| said by jseymour:jseymour never asserted any such thing. What jseymour did assert was there was benefit to be realized on the part of TV users by the switch to digital whereas,
You specifically said that me comparing one wide scale change with another (light squared and Digital-Analog conversion) was apples and oranges, and your reasoning was:
"With digital TV we received benefit: We ended-up with many more channels, HDTV, digital sound and other benefits."
Now I am not sure if by "we" you mean you specifically, or "we" as in the majority of the population, I expect the former but never the less, the tone in that post did not show any issue with what the government did "just so LightSquared and their investors the government can make money".
You saw benefit to it, and incidentally did not take issue about the others who had perfectly working systems who had to spend the cash to get things up to snuff...or even the tax dollars that went to giving out the $20 vouchers to the households that requested them.
Well, maybe you did express your displeasure about it, can you point me to your posts on here from that time stating similar complaints like you do here, on this story?
Look, I am sure you got some nice GPS equipment. I have to say though that if Lightsquared can produce what they say, AND they get the industries problems straightened out and they work with the larger industries to keep there equipment functioning...I am fine with the consumer / end user gear needing to be replaced over time if the end user wants it to remain functional. Nothing personal to you, it is just I want decent broadband on the go.
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