Broadband Tech > Security > Scam and Phishbusters > [Scam] Card Services relentless phone calls revisited

reply to Ender3rd

Re: [Scam] Card Services relentless phone calls revisited

reply to Doctor Olds
It's a common misconception that only/just because it's an 800 number that they can get your number from blocked caller id.

Actually, it's really any company that answers and processes calls digitally - it doesn't matter if the number is toll free, or regular toll. As long as they're using a computer system to receive calls, they get the CPN data directly. Since calls are not terminating on analog caller id displays at a landline provider, they're not obligated to honor the privacy bit.

Some people will think of magical things with ani/CPN/BTN etc. but the fact of the matter is the vast majority of these phone numbers are simply ignoring the privacy bit. All the CPN is just a call-back or "directory" number that is used to populate the caller id display of the callee's Pots or Pots-like replacement service. Once you call into a computer system, then your number is fair game. There is no obligation to honor the privacy bit at that point.

What we're probably referring to for toll free numbers is the BTN or billing number. I guess that's the ANI as some might call it. Still, that information is not passed to the callee on the fly. It's only used for billing purposes witin the PSTN, so it's really not an "unblockable caller id". However, they'll be able to view the billing number on their bills once the call is billed.

reply to Ender3rd
I ran two searches which I pasted below - enjoy!

Reverse Phone Number Lookup
 
         Search Date:  Tuesday, May 22, 2012
     Query Submitted:  Phone Number = (720) 409-2532
 
    Client Reference:  Card Services
_______________________________________________________________________
 
Record # 1 of 1
 
              Record From:  Subscriber Information - Phones Plus
                    Phone:  (720) 409-2532
              Phone Usage:  Cellular
               Phone Type:  Possible Cell Phone
     Special Service Code:  Cellular Services
           Dial Indicator:  1
                  Carrier:  NEW CINGULAR WIRLESS
             Phone Region:  DENVER, CO
                            DENVER, CO 80202-2906
 
_______________________________________________________________________
 
Reverse Phone Number Lookup
 
         Search Date:  Tuesday, May 22, 2012
     Query Submitted:  Phone Number = (720) 409-2532
 
    Client Reference:  Card Services
_______________________________________________________________________
 
Record # 1 of 1
 
              Record From:  Telephone Company
                     Name:  MCLEODUSA TELECOMMUNICATIONS SERVICES, INC.- CO
         City/Rate Center:  DENVER
                    State:  CO
 

I get the same results [Cingular (now AT&T) Wireless], but note that McLeodUSA is a backbone provider for Pactec [who provide VOIP service]. Interesting.

Also interesting that it isn't Pacific Telecom.

reply to Ender3rd
I got a call yesterday but she hung up on me when I asked her if I could make a deposit somewhere haha

reply to DrStrange
Interesting information about the Delta Outsource Group. I haven't heard from the Card Services Scam people for over 6 weeks, but I did file a complaint with the FCC that contained specifics about their spoofing and persistent infringement at the end of April. As expected, I got a form e-mail back from them that was fairly useless. I also re-registered both of my phone numbers with the National Do Not Call Registry, even though it's supposedly not necessary, and I haven't really been bothered by anyone following the 30 day clear-out period after re-registering. Makes me wonder about the validity of the claim that you never fall off the list...
--
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them. (Charlie Reese)

If you want information on this scam and the people behind it I recommend checking out this website:
»onthespotblog.com/the-hunt-for-r···ervices/

The players we know that are now involved, including names and cities are:
Ambrosia Web Design LLC, Chris Ambrosia, Mesa, Arizona
American Debt Negotiators, Ran David Barnea, Boca Raton, Florida
Associated Accounting Specialists Inc., William R. Page, Port Saint Lucie, Florida
Castle Rock Capital Management, Roy M. Cox, Laguna Niguel, California
Concord Financial Advisors LLC, Lee Cestine, Mesa, Arizona
Financial Services Solutions LLC, CEO Unknown, New York, New York
PHL International, Mark Burton, Deerfield Beach, Florida
Premiere Debt Solutions, CEO Unknown, Orlando, Florida
Red Leaf Capital LLC, Leroy Castine, Mesa, Arizona

I have received more than 150 (I have them documented) calls from these criminals. I have filed more that 50 complaints with the FTC however due to the fact that they hide behind spoofed numbers I doubt that they will ever stop any of them. They ask for up front fees and charge your credit card without performing any services.

I find that I am getting great enjoyment by pressing 1 and talking to one of their "reps". I have a phony name, credit card number, and security code that I use. The only legitimate number that I give them is the customer service number from a credit card that I no longer use since the card raised my rates.
I try to ask the criminals as many questions as possibe to keep them on the phone as long as I can. The scammers seem to get upset once they finally figure out that THEY are getting scammed. I guess they think their time is more valuable than mine.

well, they called my cellphone, but since it was an unrecognized number, I didnt answer. Now its just relentless, and its a different number each time. Since number spoofing is now illegal, these fraudsters should be investigated, and despite the fact that the CID is spoofed, the phone companies still know where they originate and terminate.

reply to Ender3rd
New number: 808-216-9287

That's cozy. They took their ill-gotten money and moved to Hawaii?

reply to Whip

Just attempting humor since the number, if it weren't spoofed, would be a cell phone in Honolulu.

808-216 = Nextel Communications, Inc. in Honolulu, HI.

If they're spoofing and using VOIP, they could be anywhere in the world.

I agree with your complaint. There are instances of blocking VOIP calls to certain prefixes because the originating carrier doesn't want to pay the destination carrier extra for calling 'a rural exchange'. if they can do that, they should be able to do this.

There are people here who know more about the workings of telephones than I do, but I don't see why the originating carrier [or the destination] can't verify that the Caller ID matches the ANI info [for billing] that phones need to transmit when they call any number, and refuse to connect anyone whose info doesn't match the Caller ID info.

reply to Ender3rd
We cancelled our land line a few months ago because the vast majority of calls we received were either telemarketers like this who ignored the do not call list, or politicians who are exempt. We still have the phone so visitors can call us from the front gate of our townhouse complex, so when the phone rings these days we are actually happy to hear it instead of dreading it.

reply to DrStrange

reply to Chubbysumo

reply to Chubbysumo

reply to Chubbysumo

Fig.1