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Re: [MLB] Huston Astros said by MuDvAyNe:Well, the Astros have a DH ready. Carlos Lee
Yeah, the Astros do, but what about all the other NL teams that get stuck with an interleague series?
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kudos:17 | They really need to make up their minds, and play one style of baseball. It makes no sense.
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Denver, CO | said by HiVolt:They really need to make up their minds, and play one style of baseball. It makes no sense.
The MLBPA will never let the AL give up the DH, because it allows for washed up players to still make ridiculous change. I cant see the NL giving up the pitcher hitting anytime soon, and I hope they dont, because to tell you the truth, it's much better for the game. The DH was a gimmick used to inflate scoring.
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kudos:1 | The NL is the only team that has the pitcher bat. rec trams for 5 year olds have a Dh |
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Denver, CO | said by Jackarino:The NL is the only team that has the pitcher bat. rec trams for 5 year olds have a Dh
I can more understand teams of 5 year olds having a DH, especially since 5 year olds dont pitch. Major leaguers are big boys.
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I just dont get the concept of pitchers having to bat. Pitchers are valuable commodity, and their job is to pitch, get you deep into the game. Pitchers aren't very good hitters anyway, because it's not their thing.
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kudos:1 | And they can get hurt running like Wang a few years ago. |
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| said by Jackarino:And they can get hurt running like Wang a few years ago.
Yeah I do recall one of the Blue Jays pitchers (I can't remember who) who hurt himself sliding into second base during interleague play years ago...
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said by HiVolt:I just dont get the concept of pitchers having to bat. Pitchers are valuable commodity, and their job is to pitch, get you deep into the game. Pitchers aren't very good hitters anyway, because it's not their thing.
I think it's absolutely an insult to the game that you have a player whose sole purpose is to get an at-bat 4 times a game, and spends 95% of the game sitting on his ass. Im not so much in favor of the pitcher hitting as I am against the DH. Maybe one of Doubleday's mistakes in game design was having the pitcher hit in the first place instead of going with 8 man lineups.
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| said by The Dv8or:I think it's absolutely an insult to the game that you have a player whose sole purpose is to get an at-bat 4 times a game, and spends 95% of the game sitting on his ass. Im not so much in favor of the pitcher hitting as I am against the DH. Maybe one of Doubleday's mistakes in game design was having the pitcher hit in the first place instead of going with 8 man lineups. I'm not opposed to DH, I guess being a fan of an AL team, but what you suggested would be a good compromise, an 8 man lineup would erase the possibility of the pitcher batting, and the DH sitting on his ass all game.
But we know none of that will ever change, hehe...
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Denver, CO | said by Jackarino:Thats is something they should really consider. I know that I wouldn't mind that
The DH is here to stay. The union will NEVER allow a cushy $12 million a year job to be wiped off.
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| said by The Dv8or:The DH is here to stay. The union will NEVER allow a cushy $12 million a year job to be wiped off. No doubt you're right that it's here to stay. The only question remains does it ever move to the National League, too?
But whether there's a DH or not, the number of spots on the roster remains the same, so in that sense there's no job wiped off. |
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Denver, CO | said by AB:said by The Dv8or:The DH is here to stay. The union will NEVER allow a cushy $12 million a year job to be wiped off. No doubt you're right that it's here to stay. The only question remains does it ever move to the National League, too? But whether there's a DH or not, the number of spots on the roster remains the same, so in that sense there's no job wiped off. I didnt say job wiped off. I said cushy $12 million job wiped off. If you went to an 8 man lineup and kicked off the DH, that spot would be filled by some guy making the league minimum.
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| said by The Dv8or:said by AB:But whether there's a DH or not, the number of spots on the roster remains the same, so in that sense there's no job wiped off.
I didnt say job wiped off. I said cushy $12 million job wiped off. If you went to an 8 man lineup and kicked off the DH, that spot would be filled by some guy making the league minimum. Sorry. Didn't realize you had an '8 man lineup' caveat tossed in there.
I don't see that ever happening, btw. Baseball is a game of threes and nines, not eights.
Nine innings. Nine players on the field. Three up, three down. Three strikes, you're out.
When a pitcher throws a perfect game, everybody gets exactly three at-bats in a nine-inning game.
With an 8 man lineup, hitters 4 thru 8 would get three at-bats; hitters 1, 2, and 3 would get four. Throws the whole synchronicity of the thing off, and just plain has an over-ripe smell about it.
Plus, the pitcher not being able to hit (from a skills standpoint) is only a chimeric truism.
In the National League, there are games where 'team A' has a slight advantage over 'team B'-- all other things being equal-- because team A's pitcher is a good hitter while team B's pitcher isn't. This can actually sometimes figure into managing strategy, too.
There have even been occasions when a pitcher has been called to pinch-hit, and not only because there are no other players left on the bench, either.
Going to an 8 man lineup would be a far more severe rules change than even the DH was, and there are still plenty of people who would argue that the DH position has no place in the game.
So if they implement an 8 man lineup, they might just as well go with a quick home run contest to determine the winner of any game tied after nine innings.
Though as long as Big Bud is the commish, I suppose no traditional rule is safe. |
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Denver, CO | I know they wont do it now. I was thinking more along the lines of a rule that might have been put in place when baseball was first started, since so many people have concerns about pitchers batting now. Either way, the DH is a horrid gimmick.
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If I am not mistaken, there are a lot of changes happening in the upcoming seasons, (2013) so I-L will be done all year, but no longer these 15 game stretches (well, 3 than a 3 week break and then the 15 game streak).
Already posted on the Astro's site.
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