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disappointed

@buckeyecom.net

reply to DSL is Bad

Re: [DSL] slow speeds always frontier ohio south

Yep, we actually switched from Verizon dsl to Buckeye a while back while we had Dish Network and took advantage of that deal. The price jumped up to about $40.00 though for the 4mbps down though after the first year. Once we canceled the Dish Network, we started looking into bundles and the Buckeye bundle was pretty expensive when compared to Frontiers once the other stuff was added in. (I see why now )

The bill.....Well, I have a feeling that's gonna be a whole different

I'm hoping this really is going to be fixed by April 17th as I plan on just keeping my Buckeye hooked up (and having my dsl just sit there unused) until they fix this mess, and I am really hoping they offer speeds higher than 3mbps down if they do get the congestion issues under control (I saw my sheet said up to 15mbps down for some reason).

Jedis

join:2010-08-06
Lodi, OH

reply to frontiersuks
I'm in the NE Ohio area (Medina, specifically) and all of my traffic at home and at work are routed through Chicago.

Speed is as advertised, I suppose. We have the 3mb plan, but are stuck at getting 1.5mb. Why, I have no idea, as they installed equipment right down the road from me years ago. For some reason, I'm still connecting to a farther CO miles away.

Tracing route to google.com [74.125.225.20]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 45 ms 46 ms 45 ms 10.34.2.1
3 44 ms 44 ms 45 ms so-0-1-1-0.CHI01-CORE-RTR3.verizon-gni.net [108.
57.128.14]
4 46 ms 44 ms 76 ms as0-0.CHI01-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net [130.81.20.5
6]
5 45 ms 46 ms 47 ms 0.ge-6-3-0.XL3.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.65.129]
6 46 ms 45 ms 45 ms TenGigE0-6-1-0.GW2.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.65.13
3]
7 45 ms 45 ms 46 ms google-gw.customer.alter.net [65.195.243.218]
8 46 ms 54 ms 45 ms 209.85.254.122
9 46 ms 56 ms 45 ms 64.233.174.173
10 49 ms 47 ms 61 ms 74.125.225.20

Trace complete.




Smith6612
Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:22
Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·Frontier Communi..

Might be worthwhile to post up your modem Transceiver statistics. That would let us see what the deal is with your 1.5Mbps speeds. If the equipment they put down the road from you is in fact a remote, there's a slim chance that you can be moved onto it as Frontier only does such work (at lease in my area) on an as-needed basis due to the amount of work that would have to be done regarding your line in the trunk and CO connections.


COjosh

join:2011-02-21
kudos:1
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse

reply to Jedis
Yea, Smith is right.

If your modem is sunk @ 1770 Kbps then you are on the 1.5 Mb profile, but if it's @ 3300 Kbps then you should be on 3 Mb.

Your area may not be fed with the same cable that is coming out of the remote DSLAM/MUX. It does take A LOT of work to cut you into that cable to get you fed from a closer spot....it's not impossible, but diffcult.

If you are "sunk-up" @ the right speed (3300Kbps) and are still only getting 1.5Mbps down then you may have a line quality issue or perhaps the same congestion problem we have here in SW Ohio.



Tester in OH

@verizon.net

Any feedback on this?

This is Greek to me.

C:\>tracert dslreports.com

Tracing route to dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms dslmodem.ftrdhcpuser.net [192.168.1.1]
2 52 ms 52 ms 49 ms 10.34.35.1
3 79 ms 80 ms 79 ms so-0-3-2-0.CHI01-CORE-RTR3.verizon-gni.net [108.
57.128.106]
4 43 ms 43 ms 43 ms as0-0.CHI01-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net [130.81.20.5
6]
5 80 ms 58 ms 45 ms 0.so-7-2-0.XL3.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.64.169]
6 44 ms 44 ms 44 ms TenGigE0-6-2-0.GW2.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.65.13
7]
7 79 ms 80 ms 83 ms teliasonera-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.107.1
22]
8 72 ms 70 ms 78 ms nyk-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.246.163]
9 86 ms 88 ms 101 ms nyk-b3-link.telia.net [80.91.245.80]
10 69 ms 70 ms 73 ms netaccess-tic-133837-nyk-b3.c.telia.net [213.248
.99.90]
11 109 ms 107 ms 115 ms 0.e1-1.tbr1.ewr.nac.net [209.123.10.129]
12 100 ms 98 ms 100 ms 0.e1-4.tbr1.oct.nac.net [209.123.10.122]
13 90 ms 75 ms 72 ms vlan804.esd1.oct.nac.net [209.123.10.2]
14 108 ms 114 ms 120 ms www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]

Trace complete.

C:\>tracert dslreports.com

Tracing route to dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms dslmodem.ftrdhcpuser.net [192.168.1.1]
2 52 ms 52 ms 49 ms 10.34.35.1
3 79 ms 80 ms 79 ms so-0-3-2-0.CHI01-CORE-RTR3.verizon-gni.net [108.
57.128.106]
4 43 ms 43 ms 43 ms as0-0.CHI01-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net [130.81.20.5
6]
5 80 ms 58 ms 45 ms 0.so-7-2-0.XL3.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.64.169]
6 44 ms 44 ms 44 ms TenGigE0-6-2-0.GW2.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.65.13
7]
7 79 ms 80 ms 83 ms teliasonera-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.107.1
22]
8 72 ms 70 ms 78 ms nyk-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.246.163]
9 86 ms 88 ms 101 ms nyk-b3-link.telia.net [80.91.245.80]
10 69 ms 70 ms 73 ms netaccess-tic-133837-nyk-b3.c.telia.net [213.248
.99.90]
11 109 ms 107 ms 115 ms 0.e1-1.tbr1.ewr.nac.net [209.123.10.129]
12 100 ms 98 ms 100 ms 0.e1-4.tbr1.oct.nac.net [209.123.10.122]
13 90 ms 75 ms 72 ms vlan804.esd1.oct.nac.net [209.123.10.2]
14 108 ms 114 ms 120 ms www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]

Trace complete.

C:\>tracert dslreports.com

Tracing route to dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms dslmodem.ftrdhcpuser.net [192.168.1.1]
2 52 ms 52 ms 49 ms 10.34.35.1
3 79 ms 80 ms 79 ms so-0-3-2-0.CHI01-CORE-RTR3.verizon-gni.net [108.
57.128.106]
4 43 ms 43 ms 43 ms as0-0.CHI01-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net [130.81.20.5
6]
5 80 ms 58 ms 45 ms 0.so-7-2-0.XL3.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.64.169]
6 44 ms 44 ms 44 ms TenGigE0-6-2-0.GW2.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.65.13
7]
7 79 ms 80 ms 83 ms teliasonera-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.107.1
22]
8 72 ms 70 ms 78 ms nyk-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.246.163]
9 86 ms 88 ms 101 ms nyk-b3-link.telia.net [80.91.245.80]
10 69 ms 70 ms 73 ms netaccess-tic-133837-nyk-b3.c.telia.net [213.248
.99.90]
11 109 ms 107 ms 115 ms 0.e1-1.tbr1.ewr.nac.net [209.123.10.129]
12 100 ms 98 ms 100 ms 0.e1-4.tbr1.oct.nac.net [209.123.10.122]
13 90 ms 75 ms 72 ms vlan804.esd1.oct.nac.net [209.123.10.2]
14 108 ms 114 ms 120 ms www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]

Trace complete.


COjosh

join:2011-02-21
kudos:1
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse

reply to frontiersuks
This hop here:
5 80 ms 58 ms 45 ms 0.so-7-2-0.XL3.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.64.169]
-from your tracroute shows you leaveing the Chicago switch to the WAN.
-Your latency, the amont of time a packet takes to round-trip through each of those sites, looks good. No excessively high times..
-You are being deposited in Chicago just like the rest of us in Ohio.

Are you having problems?


Action2

join:2010-06-29
Newman, IL
Reviews:
·Frontier Communi..

reply to Tester in OH
Well most of your latency is coming from the highly congested 3rd hop, as a comparison here is my routing from Central Illinois during non peak times as a comparison:

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.
 
Tracing route to dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
 
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  dslrouter.ftrdhcpuser.net [192.168.1.1]
  2    24 ms    24 ms    24 ms  10.34.56.1
  3    24 ms    24 ms    24 ms  so-1-2-3-0.CHI01-CORE-RTR3.verizon-gni.net [108.57.128.10]
  4    25 ms    25 ms    25 ms  as0-0.CHI01-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net [130.81.20.56]
  5    24 ms    26 ms    25 ms  0.so-2-3-0.XL3.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.3.93]
  6    24 ms    25 ms    26 ms  TenGigE0-4-2-0.GW2.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.67.102]
  7    25 ms    27 ms    25 ms  teliasonera-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.107.122]
  8    49 ms    50 ms   118 ms  nyk-bb2-link.telia.net [80.91.246.19]
  9    49 ms    54 ms    54 ms  nyk-b3-link.telia.net [80.91.248.174]
 10    50 ms    49 ms    50 ms  netaccess-tic-133837-nyk-b3.c.telia.net [213.248.99.90]
 11    52 ms    51 ms    59 ms  0.e1-4.tbr1.mmu.nac.net [209.123.10.101]
 12    52 ms    53 ms    52 ms  0.e1-1.tbr1.oct.nac.net [209.123.10.17]
 13    50 ms    51 ms    51 ms  vlan804.esd1.oct.nac.net [209.123.10.2]
 14    50 ms    51 ms    52 ms  www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
 
Trace complete.
 

dsless

join:2001-05-16
Pittsburgh, PA
Reviews:
·Comcast

reply to frontiersuks
Most of the congestion is coming @ the second hop. If we look at the first 4 hops the largest latency occurs at the second hop and follows through the rest of the trace. People are saying the 3 hop is the issue and it is not. If the 3 hop was you would see the added latency follow on through the trace. The 4 hop is less than the 2 second. What is probably occurring is the router @ hop 3 is programmed to respond to ping request at a lower priority. Hence the higher latency.

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms dslmodem.ftrdhcpuser.net [192.168.1.1]
2 52 ms 52 ms 49 ms 10.34.35.1
3 79 ms 80 ms 79 ms so-0-3-2-0.CHI01-CORE-RTR3.verizon-gni.net [108.
57.128.106]
4 43 ms 43 ms 43 ms as0-0.CHI01-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net [130.81.20.5


niblifar

join:2004-02-12
Ohio
Reviews:
·Frontier Communi..

reply to SE Ohio Fron
I want to call and complain, but I have a feeling I'll lose fastpath by doing so. It was so much easier with the Verizon Direct forum to switch to another circuit that's not congested. I wish Frontier had something like that. I know for sure it's congestion from previous experiences and I get my full bandwidth from 1 AM onward.
--
Vita est bona.



Smith6612
Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:22
Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·Frontier Communi..

When the Frontier forum first took off here at DSLR, I think I recall an employee mentioning that they would be considering setting up a Frontier Direct forum here. I think it was really just a thing of getting some staffing involved. Not sure what ever came of that or if it's even in the works inside of Frontier, but it would be nice to see.



Powell_OH

@verizon.net

I'm on the 3meg plan and I'm getting .23 down and .68 up. Inexcusable. I'll give frontier another month before I leave them. Been dealing with this far too long.


Action2

join:2010-06-29
Newman, IL
Reviews:
·Frontier Communi..

reply to dsless
Lower ping results on hops after are most likely a result of inconsistent latency due to congestion. I have seen this on ping graphs, here is a reference:

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.
  
tracert dslreports.com
  
Tracing route to dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
  
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  dslrouter.ftrdhcpuser.net [192.168.1.1]
  2    33 ms    28 ms    25 ms  10.34.56.1
  3   153 ms   143 ms   147 ms  so-1-2-3-0.CHI01-CORE-RTR3.verizon-gni.net [108.57.128.10]
  4   180 ms   184 ms   176 ms  as0-0.CHI01-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net [130.81.20.56]
  5   160 ms   166 ms   174 ms  0.ge-1-1-0.XL3.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.65.113]
  6   172 ms   160 ms   143 ms  TenGigE0-4-1-0.GW2.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.65.209]
  7   173 ms   162 ms   181 ms  teliasonera-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.107.122]
  8   178 ms   204 ms   207 ms  nyk-bb2-link.telia.net [80.91.249.111]
  9   198 ms   192 ms   207 ms  nyk-b3-link.telia.net [80.91.247.21]
 10   175 ms   193 ms   182 ms  netaccess-tic-133837-nyk-b3.c.telia.net [213.248.99.90]
 11   220 ms   204 ms   209 ms  0.e1-4.tbr1.mmu.nac.net [209.123.10.101]
 12   188 ms   196 ms   193 ms  0.e1-1.tbr1.oct.nac.net [209.123.10.17]
 13    52 ms    52 ms    52 ms  vlan804.esd1.oct.nac.net [209.123.10.2]
 14   180 ms   178 ms   188 ms  www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
  
Trace complete.
 

This is at peak congestion, when it is starting my trace would look just like his.


jbj

@woco-k12.org

reply to Powell_OH
ive called a thousand times and it doesnt help sure they gave me free service for a few mon. but it doesnt make up for the rediculos lack of speed! i can hardly check my email. when i call in they say it sould be done by 3/15/11 which is today....if the speeds dnt increase with this new curcit im dumpin ther crap



HSI

@bright.net

JBJ,

I have spent numerous hours on the phone for the past three months with Frontier, escalating to supervisors which cannot make a decision for the life of them.

Frontier has a complete breakdown of communication. Being passed around from Tech. Service to other departments.

Now, I can understand some maintenance is under works, yet taking the majority of the paying customers in OH to dial-up speeds for 3 months is unacceptable.

Solution: Contact Customer Retention at Frontier, and tell them you want your account coded with a reoccurring credit for HSI, until the bandwith solution is resolved.

When Frontier begins to feel the pain of not collecting revenue, maybe they will move a little faster and resolving this problem.



Strider7Sfga

@verizon.net

reply to COjosh

How about showing some integrity and honesty concerning this ongoing nightmare of networking incompetence ? Verizon is still screwing all of us in the 14 state, rural acquisition area. It started as far back as mid day, Dec. 24th, 2009. At that time, we were being hardware re-routed. Set off on the side rail while the "bullet train" of real broadband went screaming past. That was Verizon's " Merry Christmas" to rural area customers. The "Happy New Year" was the hard coding and flashing of our modems with the IP Gateway, re-route switch. It's been a running battle ever since.

$10 billion up front, over $3 billion in the hole, 7 months to try and figure out how to migrate a working network solution on equipment that was poorly, if at all, maintained ? Frontiers solution has been to stay reliant on Verizon's "Hosting" infrastructure and leaving them in complete control over what continues to be happening. You can set your clock's by what happens, almost without fail, at approximately 4:00pm EST. Forget about any chance at productivity during peak traffic hours and speeds barely capable of even sending a fax. (14.4Kb). From 4'ish, until after 12:00 am, the bandwidth get's throttled back to a crawl.

EG: 2 recent trace routes as well as transceiver stats.

C:\Users\>tracert frontier.com

Tracing route to frontier.com [66.133.172.92]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\>tracert frontier.com

Tracing route to frontier.com [66.133.172.92]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1
----------------------
Transceiver stats from a recently replaced, Frontier branded, Westell 7500.

Software Version: VER:5.01.01.07
Transceiver Revision: A2pB020b3.d20h
Model Name: A90-750045-07
Serial Number: *************
Broadband Connection Status: Connected
Broadband IP Address: 71.186.51.62
Broadband MAC Address: -------------
Broadband Connection Type: PPPoE
Active Status: 0:00:31:51
Configuration: 096-900222-00 A

--------------------------------------------------

Transceiver Revision A2pB020b3.d20h
Vendor ID Code 4D54
Line Mode ADSL_2plus
Data Path FAST

Transceiver Information Down Stream Path Up Stream Path
DSL Speed (Kbits/Sec) 1790 447
Margin (dB) 10.9 23.2
Line Attenuation (dB) 58.5 30.3
Transmit Power (dBm) 5.5 12.4

------------------------------------------------------------------

We've all read about call's to support, 1st level - Supervisors desk, etc... and all have the same mantra, the big fix is coming, Dec., no, January, whoops, maybe February, nope, how about March, sometime the 1st Quarter, maybe June ... ? And, oddly enough, each State is first in line for this miracle fix.

Phft-t-t-t-t. Yeah, Right.

More than 5 different routing schema's in the past 2 months, each worse than the previous. I especially liked the one that hopped from Chi.Level3.net to ... wait for it, 2 hops through Montreal, Canada before coming right back to (il,chi.frontier.clusterphuc.net ). Then on to the next huge bottleneck as far as latency, dropped signals due to lost packets, retransmitted packets, blocks received out of sequence... Make's me wonder how it's possible for the "networking guru's" at Frontier, in Rochester, NY. to still be drawing paychecks. These idiots couldn't find their collective butt's with both hands, an anatomical map with a flashing bulls-eye encircling the buttocks, a troop of Boy Scouts as well as having GPS chip implanted in their butt cheek. They'd still be touching their noses and asking, am i getting warm yet ?

I envy the posters that have alternative broadband options in their area's and have told Frontier to take a hike.

Bottom line here is, Until Verizon is out of the picture, entirely, We're screwed.


Strider7Sfga

@verizon.net

Not sure why the trace route's were edited out, but I'll try again.

Tracing route to frontier.com [66.133.172.92]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms dslrouter.westell.com [192.168.1.1]
2 85 ms 95 ms 95 ms 10.34.33.1
3 55 ms 52 ms 71 ms so-0-2-0-0.CHI01-CORE-RTR3.verizon-gni.net [108.57.128.104]
4 73 ms 86 ms 96 ms as0-0.CHI01-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net [130.81.20.56]
5 92 ms 68 ms 59 ms 0.so-2-3-0.XL3.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.3.93]
6 47 ms 46 ms 50 ms 0.ae3.BR3.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.66.74]
7 81 ms 95 ms 95 ms xe-9-2-0.edge3.Chicago3.Level3.net [4.68.110.185]
8 93 ms 71 ms 80 ms CITIZENS-CO.edge4.Chicago3.Level3.net [4.53.98.22]
9 74 ms 79 ms 86 ms ae2---0.cor01.chcg.il.frontiernet.net [74.40.4.137]
10 113 ms 98 ms 96 ms ae1---0.cor02.roch.ny.ny.frontiernet.net [74.40.5.21]
11 95 ms 114 ms 122 ms ge--0-1-0---0.car01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [74.40.5.182]
12 108 ms 90 ms 85 ms te5-4.br5.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [74.45.102.6]
13 103 ms 113 ms 123 ms new.frontier.com [66.133.172.92]

Trace complete.

03-15-11 @ 9:40pm

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Tracing route to frontier.com [66.133.172.92]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms dslrouter.westell.com [192.168.1.1]
2 72 ms 74 ms 76 ms 10.34.33.1
3 * 69 ms 63 ms so-0-2-0-0.CHI01-CORE-RTR3.verizon-gni.net [108.57.128.104]
4 62 ms 63 ms 69 ms as0-0.CHI01-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net [130.81.20.56]
5 89 ms 94 ms 97 ms 0.ge-6-3-0.XL3.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.65.129]
6 68 ms 62 ms 56 ms 0.ae3.BR3.CHI13.ALTER.NET [152.63.66.74]
7 53 ms 52 ms 55 ms xe-9-2-0.edge3.Chicago3.Level3.net [4.68.110.185]
8 86 ms 99 ms 96 ms CITIZENS-CO.edge4.Chicago3.Level3.net [4.53.98.22]
9 73 ms 61 ms 56 ms ae2---0.cor01.chcg.il.frontiernet.net [74.40.4.137]
10 83 ms 81 ms 84 ms ae1---0.cor02.roch.ny.ny.frontiernet.net [74.40.5.21]
11 119 ms 122 ms 104 ms ge--0-1-0---0.car01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [74.40.5.182]
12 237 ms 206 ms 222 ms te5-4.br5.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [74.45.102.6]
13 108 ms 122 ms 121 ms new.frontier.com [66.133.172.92]

Trace complete.

03-15-11 @ 10:24pm



frontiersuk

@50.41.53.x

reply to frontiersuks
»www.speedtest.net/result/1204120494.png

Yeah my internet worked for about a week now i get this. I live in Macksburg, Ohio so think twice about this frontier slow speed dial up connection, they told me this would be fixed by March 15 I guess I should have asked what year! Suppose to get 3mb

James Croxton



BuckeyeK

@verizon.net

same here in Byesville! been this way since Frontier took over. I actually had a constant 3Mb connection with Verizon (2yrs)



frontiersuk

@suddenlink.net

Yes I had enough with Frontier Internet disconneted from them today March 16 one day after I have waited for two months for tech, billing, head guys from my region told me it would be fixed. Do not believe anything they say they try to suck you dry before you get so many headaches with from calling tech support which they have no idea what the hell they are doing. Gonna have to get closer to town now to get a REAL INTERNET TIME WARNER. Thanks for all the the headaches frontier but no more.

James Croxton
Macksburg, Ohio


COjosh

join:2011-02-21
kudos:1
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse

Good luck with TW RR HSI...Their infrastructure in Southern Ohio is ALL old Adelphia and can barely support HDTV let alone shared bandwidth cable internet.

Not sayin' Frontier is much better at the moment but you are gonna have similar issues with them at night.

After my circuit change I have been golden, no slowdowns whatsoever, and I'm quite shocked!

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