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iansltx

join:2007-02-19
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Modem rental fee?

Right now 12/2 service is offered for about $60 per month, plus modem rental. If 6M service is offered for $50, will it include modem rental fees or will the true cost of 'net service be $58 or so?


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said by iansltx:

Right now 12/2 service is offered for about $60 per month, plus modem rental. If 6M service is offered for $50, will it include modem rental fees or will the true cost of 'net service be $58 or so?

Comcast offers standalone Data service already. It is just cheaper when bundled.

So what this provision is really requiring is that a standalone data service have a specific price for a specific speed. A speed lower than what Comcast normally offers.

Not much of a requirement. One that Comcast won't care about and won't advertise anywhere.

iansltx

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Yeah I know...I'm using standalone service right now. And it's darned expensive.


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I've got Comcast business and pay $60 per month. It isn't expensive imo. My speeds are decent and service is great.

My concern isn't about Comcast lowering the cost of a basic internet tier by $10 per month for 3 years, it's about the long term consequences of Comcast owning NBC.
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Buy the modem. It's only $80, you'll re-coup the savings in 10 months.
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iansltx

join:2007-02-19
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Why solve the problem when I can complain about it?

I have a DOCSIS 2 modem that I own. Just haven't made it to the local Comcast office to give back the D3 modem I'm renting.


jcremin

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Siren, WI
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said by iansltx:

Yeah I know...I'm using standalone service right now. And it's darned expensive.

So you're saying that $60/mo for 12/2 is expensive? Or is that the bundled price?

iansltx

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$60 + modem rental for a 12/2 connection is expensive, yes.

Why is it expensive?

1. Comcast charges other providers to connect to its backbone network, rather than the other way around. Except for a few providers. So their bandwidth costs on the back end average maybe $2 per megabit, if that. Probably closer to $0.
2. They are using plant that has been around for years and has been amortized multiple times over.
3. The plant is 860MHz or so capacity-wise. There is a TON of potential there. Even counting the channels that they're actually using for internet, 12/2 is less than 10% of the capacity of the system in one direction (and we're talking last mile here) and less than 8% of the capacity in the other direction. The equivalent in wireless terms would be taking a Canopy system and selling 384/128 service for $60 on it when your bandwidth costs are $20 per meg.

I stand by what I just said. Given the amount of infrastructure available and the amount of upkeep Comcast needs to keep the infrastructure going, $60 + modem rental is expensive.

Whereas $50 for 15/2 is reasonable. And profitable apparently; Time Warner Cable does this in a lot of their markets.


jcremin

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said by iansltx:

Whereas $50 for 15/2 is reasonable. And profitable apparently

Problem is "reasonable" is usually determined by how much they can charge before people stop paying and cancel their account. The market sets the price. If people don't cancel, why would they lower the price?

In my area, people consider between 512k and 1 meg for $50 to be reasonable. Of course you'll get people that think they should be getting 100 megs for $10/mo, but then they turn around any pay $60 for 1 meg because that's what is available...

I'm speaking generally here (not necessarily directed at you) but I have a hard time understanding how people can think they should be able to tell the ISP's how fast and for what price service should be available, but then there a million other industries that people just pay the insanely inflated prices and don't say a word.

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People see that in some areas (in the US, not Korea) the price-performance ratio is much better than Comcast. This is generally the case for any other cable company in the US with more than a few thousand customers, in fact.

As far as markets setting prices go, terrestrial networks are natural monopolies at the last mile. That's why Earhlink wants Comcast to share its coaxial last mile so they, as an ISP, can stay relevant. However Comcast sees that the barrier to entry is high, and as long as they can hand-wave at the telco, they can keep the wires to themselves and price well above what economics would otherwise dictate for their service. When another wireline competitor comes in (rare), Comcast tries to edge them out of the market by running ads, price promotions, etc. So there are few that are brave enough to compete.

As for the 1M for $50 reasonable side of things, Comcast charges $35 per month, plus modem rental, for 1.5/384 internet last I checked. So a little less than what's reasonable in an area with a few percent of the population density that Comcast tends to serve...

All I'm saying is, Comcast is taking their economies of scale and using them to stagnate the market rather than advance it. Why else would they have a standard tier slower than what Cablevision is rolling out in former Bresnan territory, at a higher price?


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