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Re: [Rant] Sites that keep killing their design and functionalit said by Parogadi:I can't fucking stand it anymore! Machines that are otherwise fine for everything non flash heavy ca no longer be used for even basic tasks these days! Got an old 800Mhz G4 1.5Gb ram and a Geforce 6200 AGP flashed to work in it, should be able to use Google Images right? Wrong, the new scripted to death layout takes around 90 seconds per thumbnail to render and brings the entire machine to a standstill using Safari or Firefox, using Cooloris in FF works better, but is still quite slow. I getting the same with late P3, early AthlonXP and P4 hardware as well. If we're going to go with that mentality then websites should have to operate with computers that were around when the first websites started.
I could use every website on a 486 back in 1996, why shouldn't I still be able to use everything?
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hurfyPremium
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said by Cthen:said by Thislilfishy:LOLS, give this one a shot: » www.tigerdirect.ca/OMG! On my i7 920 oc'd to ~3.8 and dual overclocked GTX260's I can see some lag just scrolling through the page... My 3 year old laptop gives up on it before the first image even loads. Ian The desktop of course had not one problem but then again neither did my 4 year old laptop with an integrated Radeon x1150 chip set.  I am beginning to wonder if it's really the hardware people are having problems with loading these sites or just PEBKAC issues. I refurb old machines myself too but don't ever seem to run into these problems with loading these sites like mentioned in this thread. WOW, my desktop choked on that one. Altho the others mentioned didn't seem to bother it. Wonder what they did. It also didn't size itself to the width of the screen like the .com version does (which works fine and seems even 'busier')
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kudos:1 | said by hurfy:said by Cthen:said by Thislilfishy:LOLS, give this one a shot: » www.tigerdirect.ca/OMG! On my i7 920 oc'd to ~3.8 and dual overclocked GTX260's I can see some lag just scrolling through the page... My 3 year old laptop gives up on it before the first image even loads. Ian The desktop of course had not one problem but then again neither did my 4 year old laptop with an integrated Radeon x1150 chip set. I am beginning to wonder if it's really the hardware people are having problems with loading these sites or just PEBKAC issues. I refurb old machines myself too but don't ever seem to run into these problems with loading these sites like mentioned in this thread. WOW, my desktop choked on that one. Altho the others mentioned didn't seem to bother it. Wonder what they did. It also didn't size itself to the width of the screen like the .com version does (which works fine and seems even 'busier') Older 3 HZ dual-core and scrolling was almost unuseable, i bet the $299 machines they sell are wonderful to use there.... We're Sorry, But The Page You Requested Requires Javascript Enabled.
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said by GamerGeek:[ You can build a very nice machine that will run quite well for under $350. Quit wasting your valuable time and expertise reconditioning antiquated junk. That depends on what you call "nice". You must call "nice" a piece of junk. "Nice" is going to cost you at least $1000 just for the machine and another $300-400 for the monitor. Plus, you'll need to get new speakers, new UPS, maybe a new printer, etc. It goes on and on. A lot of folks can't afford $2000 every few years.
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Mele20Premium
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said by hurfy:said by Cthen:said by Thislilfishy:LOLS, give this one a shot: » www.tigerdirect.ca/OMG! On my i7 920 oc'd to ~3.8 and dual overclocked GTX260's I can see some lag just scrolling through the page... My 3 year old laptop gives up on it before the first image even loads. Ian The desktop of course had not one problem but then again neither did my 4 year old laptop with an integrated Radeon x1150 chip set. I am beginning to wonder if it's really the hardware people are having problems with loading these sites or just PEBKAC issues. I refurb old machines myself too but don't ever seem to run into these problems with loading these sites like mentioned in this thread. WOW, my desktop choked on that one. Altho the others mentioned didn't seem to bother it. Wonder what they did. It also didn't size itself to the width of the screen like the .com version does (which works fine and seems even 'busier') Older 3 HZ dual-core and scrolling was almost unuseable, i bet the $299 machines they sell are wonderful to use there.... Maybe it is the browser. My "old" (4.5 years) Dell XPS 600 using Opera 10.62 loaded that page in 4.276 seconds which is sort of long for Opera in the afternoon on Road Runner at 5mbps down. Most pages load in less than 2 seconds on this latest Opera (except during the evenings).
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said by Mele20:said by GamerGeek:[ You can build a very nice machine that will run quite well for under $350. Quit wasting your valuable time and expertise reconditioning antiquated junk. That depends on what you call "nice". You must call "nice" a piece of junk. "Nice" is going to cost you at least $1000 just for the machine and another $300-400 for the monitor. Plus, you'll need to get new speakers, new UPS, maybe a new printer, etc. It goes on and on. A lot of folks can't afford $2000 every few years. Where are you buying your computer parts? Hammacher Schlemmer? Jesus...
A core i5 mobo /proc combo w/1gig of RAM can be had for $150. New case/PSU, maybe $100. GPU with 1gig of memory, say $75-$100. A 1Tb HDD goes about $70-$80. That is a nice machine that will hold up VERY well for several years for the average user and do pretty close to anything asked of it. Do you need assistance with your shopping list?
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kudos:4 | In the first place, i am not interested in building my own computer. I was saying that folks who BUY computers not BUILD their own are not going to be able to buy a nice computer for $350. As for a new monitor, my 19" digital Dell Ultrasharp LCD is almost 7 years old. I'd say it is about time for a new monitor and I want the Dell 24" Ultrasharp at $400. My printer is 11.5 years old and even though it is an HP deskjet it is getting difficult to find color cartridges ...can't buy them here now. I have to order and that is a hassle in Hawaii. So, about time for a new printer also. My speakers are Altec Lansing 4 speakers (and subwoofer box) not 5. They are almost 7 years old. So, it is beyond time to replace them. My computer is 4.5 years old and still fine but I want another one (it is my only computer now that my ancient 998SE Dell finally is almost dead) so, if I have a problem with this one, I have another computer to research the problem. But I want a nice computer and I don't want to build one...real hassle with getting parts when you are in Hawaii and not cheap either. Plus, I don't want to be my own support person.
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said by Mele20:said by GamerGeek:[ You can build a very nice machine that will run quite well for under $350. Quit wasting your valuable time and expertise reconditioning antiquated junk. That depends on what you call "nice". You must call "nice" a piece of junk. "Nice" is going to cost you at least $1000 just for the machine and another $300-400 for the monitor. Plus, you'll need to get new speakers, new UPS, maybe a new printer, etc. It goes on and on. A lot of folks can't afford $2000 every few years. Heheh, I actually got lucky trying to keep up with modern builds, sorta.
My monitor is a 3 or 4 year old LG 19 in. widescreen display that I got for free (Broken; fixed it myself in 30 minutes, bad capacitor.)
I'm still using the same, ugly beige case that I got probably 6-7 years ago.
Got a pair of speakers that were retailed at $70 or so but Staples mis-priced them at $30.
The inside of my system contains a Biostar A785GE board with a 2.8 GHz Dual-Core Athlon regor x2 AM3 CPU (2x 1 mb cache), 2 gb of DDR2 ram, a 320 GB HD, and a DVD-RW I traded for some speakers I don't use.
Everything else in the tower is actually being re-used from several years ago (350w Antec PSU; actually had to buy a SATA power adapter.)
I pretty much just sold my 360 and gave myself a Christmas present.  I make very little money, and I thought it was time I got something nice.
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scross
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Re: [Rant] Sites that keep killing their design Those of us who aren't noobs and have been in this business for a while find it absolutely freakin' hilarious that anyone thinks it's normal to require what is essentially a desktop supercomputer just to load and display some stupid, overblown website. And don't forget that the latest tablet device or smartphone or whatever is probably never going to have the raw computing or graphics power that a desktop of similar vintage does (witness the whole Flash ban by Apple, for example), so even you noobs better hope and pray that these web "designers" keep things somewhat under control.
And for the record, Microsoft is not your friend here. My Opera browser can load and display dozens of web sites before IE8 even gets past its "Connecting ..." phase (I haven't tried IE9 yet), and that's even while running the "bloatload" of anti-malware stuff that's required to protect Microsoft software from its own design flaws. |
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| said by Bobcat79:Cost me $1,000 for the PC plus $485 for the monitor. I expect to be using it for at least 10 years. » Re: Your System - March 2010EDIT: It was built for video editing, so it's more expensive than I would spend if I was just browsing, using Word, etc. At least 10 years? Hmm how long should i expect to use my system for?
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Ditto. 533 MHz, Win98, 256 megs of ram - used it for over ten years, too, with some minor upgrades - almost exclusively for browsing. It was not usual for me to have many, many dozens of tabs open under Opera. The only reason I stopped using it a couple of years ago was because everyone had gone Flash happy, and Flash leaked memory like a sieve (still does, probably), so it didn't take too many Flash instances (ads mostly) to eventually bring it to its knees. I was able to block most of these, but not all of them, unfortunately - especially when Flash got popular for actually building the site itself. My almost new, state-of-the-art, big-a$$ honkin' multi-core laptop doesn't serve up sites much faster than that old clunker did - most likely because the real bottleneck here is in the internet "pipes", not at the endpoints. (My current "pipe" at home is 12 megs, BTW, which is many times faster than what it was with the clunker.)
Once again, you noobs have been brainwashed into thinking that you have to replace your toys every two or three years. This is the same game that Detroit played with cars at one time, too, until the Japanese came along and started eating their lunch. |
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Re: [Rant] Sites that keep killing their design and functionalit said by Bobcat79:WCBS880 ruined their traffic page. It was simple, easy to scan, and worked on a lowly cell phone browser. They re-did it. They use stupid tabs that make it harder to use, it takes longer to load*, and it no longer works on my cell phone. » newyork.cbslocal.com/traffic* It has to load stupid photos of celebrities. I just want the traffic, not the gossip column! EDIT: I tried to send them a complaint, but there's no contact info at all on their site and email to 'webmaster' bounces.
I just tried »newyork.cbslocal.com/traffic on my daughter's iPod Touch. It took a full 2 minutes to load the page. 2 minutes! All I want is a simple text traffic report, and it took 2 minutes!
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Fort Collins, CO | reply to Parogadi
Thanks for initiating this conversation.
Yes, many sites, newegg is one I now despise, and Comcast's new Xfinity site, are monstrous disasters. Neither newegg nor comcast have any clue to what the deconstructions of their respective sites are going to do TO their businesses. Sam's Club is another.
Barnes and Noble, bn.com, has likewise become a jumble of illogic. Go to their eBook section and try, just try, to find your way around. It's a death march.
The only solution is to contact the site's admin, and post your complaint. That is what I have done, although there have been no improvements on any of those sites I have referenced.
I initially thought that the site admins simply do not care. Now I think that the corporate oversight simply do not care, even though for all of my referenced sites, web connectivity is their lifeblood.
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| said by Quaoar:Thanks for initiating this conversation. Yes, many sites, newegg is one I now despise, and Comcast's new Xfinity site, are monstrous disasters. Neither newegg nor comcast have any clue to what the deconstructions of their respective sites are going to do TO their businesses. Sam's Club is another. Barnes and Noble, bn.com, has likewise become a jumble of illogic. Go to their eBook section and try, just try, to find your way around. It's a death march. The only solution is to contact the site's admin, and post your complaint. That is what I have done, although there have been no improvements on any of those sites I have referenced. I initially thought that the site admins simply do not care. Now I think that the corporate oversight simply do not care, even though for all of my referenced sites, web connectivity is their lifeblood. Maybe "Teh Stupid" has infected not only the US executive and Congress, but the world at large. Maybe they know that majority of the people have no problem loading their site so they do not care about some people that refuse to upgrade for whatever reason that might. |
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said by Quaoar:Thanks for initiating this conversation. Yes, many sites, newegg is one I now despise, and Comcast's new Xfinity site, are monstrous disasters. Neither newegg nor comcast have any clue to what the deconstructions of their respective sites are going to do TO their businesses. Sam's Club is another. Barnes and Noble, bn.com, has likewise become a jumble of illogic. Go to their eBook section and try, just try, to find your way around. It's a death march. The only solution is to contact the site's admin, and post your complaint. That is what I have done, although there have been no improvements on any of those sites I have referenced. I initially thought that the site admins simply do not care. Now I think that the corporate oversight simply do not care, even though for all of my referenced sites, web connectivity is their lifeblood. Maybe "Teh Stupid" has infected not only the US executive and Congress, but the world at large. its not just the hardware here, the folks in charge think that every one can get broadband now. so unlike back in the day when you coded a site to be as lean as possible including some nice but lean eye candy, they just dump any thing and every thing on it, cuz, after all "every one has broadband and quad cores!"
personally i have no problem loading these sites. but i do agree, the new layout of newegg stinks. i want more search options, not more eye candy. |
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I'm not usually one to complain about this stuff but...
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| said by pnjunction:I'm not usually one to complain about this stuff but... IMDB nooooo Personally do not have much problems but i guess i get your point. |
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