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ILpt4U
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Lisle, IL
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reply to bogey780

Re: Wiring at NID and Moving the RG

If you are going to do it, you will need to run a new Cat 3/5/6 from the NID to the new RG location

AT&T recommends having a technician visit anytime a customer wants to move the RG and/or STBes

ICU2

join:2010-09-16
Green Bay, WI

AT&T doesn't recommend a technician to move RG or STBs, they require it. You can move stuff all you want. If the tech did not "activate" the lines, you're not going to get the services once you move the RG or STB.

For example, if you have 8 rooms in your home and you have cables in all 8, but only have 4 STBs installed and don't advise the technician you'd possibly want to have a STB in that room, they do not activate the line. When you move the STB, you're going to get an error on the TV screen and will not have any TV service.

Basically, if you want it moved, you have to have a technician. It's $55 for the truck roll and $55 for any additional wiring that may be needed. You can talk to the technician and ask what true charges will be prior to allowing them to complete the work if you don't want to pay that much. Either way, it's going to cost you at least $55.



ILpt4U
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Lisle, IL
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said by ICU2:

AT&T doesn't recommend a technician to move RG or STBs, they require it. You can move stuff all you want. If the tech did not "activate" the lines, you're not going to get the services once you move the RG or STB.
I respectfully disagree. Wiring beyond the NID is responsibility of the customer. If the customer knows what he/she is doing, and is comfortable doing wiring work, he/she is free to reconfigure any premise wire, or have any other party work from the premise side of the NID into the house

AT&T recommends having an AT&T technician do this rewiring work -- and yes it will be billed

Dandolo

join:2002-03-18
Saint Louis, MO

I wouldn't move the RG without moving the connections. (I know that much...)

Getting back to my wiring: The white telephone line that runs from my NID to the RG is, I believe, just a regular POTS line. It is the same line that ran to the room and was split into two POTS lines (back in the days of phone modems). The second line was later disconnected and used for DSL. When U-verse went in the installers just used the two wires that carried DSL to carry U-verse. But the physical line was never changed. Maybe they should have run a Cat 3/5e/6 cable, but they just used the existing line. And my TV and Internet speeds are fine. That's why I'm thinking that if I swap out the connections from the current phone line with another phone line (that looks identical) running to my office that I could easily move the RG to the office.

On the other hand, I don't mind spending some money if the tech will run a better line to the new room. I just don't want him to come out and do what I could easily have done myself.

Thanks again.


ICU2

join:2010-09-16
Green Bay, WI

reply to ILpt4U
They can change the wiring at the NID all they want - they own it - they can change any wiring for that matter, but you won't get service if it's moved and a tech doesn't come out.


RocketJeff
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join:2008-08-20
Birmingham, AL

said by ICU2:

They can change the wiring at the NID all they want - they own it - they can change any wiring for that matter, but you won't get service if it's moved and a tech doesn't come out.
Wow - thanks for telling me that - I must have some sort of magic internet/tv/phone service since I've moved the RG, the DVR and one of the STBs since the install (the STB several times)...

Wiring is wiring. Yes, if you moved the equipment to a different house it wouldn't work (I'd hope that was obvious) but moving it to a different location in the same house isn't an issue as long as you have the wiring correct.

Why do you think that you have to have a tech to move the boxes?


trparky
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said by RocketJeff:

Why do you think that you have to have a tech to move the boxes?
Well, if you're aware of how these data networks work (Coax HPNA or Ethernet) then go right ahead and move the STB in your own house. But if you don't know what you're doing and you're afraid of messing things up, then go ahead and call them to move the STB.

Not everyone has the same skill set. Not everyone knows how to network computers.
--
Tom


Michail
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Boynton Beach, FL
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I think they typical user on here would be the exception. Cracking open the NID (customer side anyway) is just about a dslreports membership requirement.


RocketJeff
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Birmingham, AL

reply to trparky

said by trparky:

But if you don't know what you're doing and you're afraid of messing things up, then go ahead and call them to move the STB.

Not everyone has the same skill set. Not everyone knows how to network computers.
I fully agree with you - if you don't know what you're doing (or don't want the hassle), having a tech do the move is the best idea.

My post was relating to the statement:
said by ICU2:

...but you won't get service if it's moved and a tech doesn't come out.
I'd like to know why he thinks this is true since it is obviously not correct.


Porthos

@swbell.net

reply to ICU2
Sorry, I have to say, at least in my circumstance, your information is incorrect. I have moved my RG twice and all three STB's multiple times. Everything works just like it did when the tech left after the install.

I suppose it all boils down to being able to understand how it works and then do it.



Michail
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join:2000-08-02
Boynton Beach, FL
kudos:1

reply to RocketJeff
He probably meant if moved and the wiring wasn't setup. Otherwise they'd need to put really sensitive GPS systems on the STBs. And that would be an odd policy even for AT&T.


dave006

join:1999-12-26
Boca Raton, FL

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reply to Dandolo

said by Dandolo:

I wouldn't move the RG without moving the connections. (I know that much...)

Getting back to my wiring: The white telephone line that runs from my NID to the RG is, I believe, just a regular POTS line. It is the same line that ran to the room and was split into two POTS lines (back in the days of phone modems). The second line was later disconnected and used for DSL. When U-verse went in the installers just used the two wires that carried DSL to carry U-verse. But the physical line was never changed. Maybe they should have run a Cat 3/5e/6 cable, but they just used the existing line. And my TV and Internet speeds are fine. That's why I'm thinking that if I swap out the connections from the current phone line with another phone line (that looks identical) running to my office that I could easily move the RG to the office.

On the other hand, I don't mind spending some money if the tech will run a better line to the new room. I just don't want him to come out and do what I could easily have done myself.

Thanks again.
If you are handy, willing to fix what you break and you understand how the connections are wired, there is no reason that you can't move the RG when it is fed by a dedicated twisted-pair connection. However you mentioned in your original post about reusing the RG by pluging the RG into an unused jack in your office.

First, yes all of your U-verse service is delivered over those two wires to the NID when your U-verse service is provided from a VRAD. From the NID to your RG and beyond can be over a couple of different media.

The key to moving the RG is to understand the input requirements and the output requirements. So far, you have described a twisted-pair install to the RG. Do you have IPTV service with STBs / a DVR or just HSIA and VoIP?

I ask because often even with a copper fed RG the output to the STBs / DVR is a COAX that is fed to a diplexer connection. So we need to know a little more about your other U-verse services. Also, you mentioned VoIP. Is this U-verse supplied or another provider and the wiring gets important here so your answer is very key.

The connection from the NID to the RG should not be shared with any other signals other than the specific use of COAX and a diplexer, it should also be a dedicaed run or a limited segment connection from the NID to the termination near the location where you plan to install the RG. This distance counts in your overall line distance from the VRAD, so an extra 100 stray feet of wire can make the difference in some installs.

Most home wiring for phones is done in the old daisy chain method rather then dedicated connections from each jack to the NID or MDU. So tell us a little more about your office wiring and answer the questions about other U-verse services and you can have a little DYI project that gets you the RG at a location that best fits your individual needs, wants or requirements.

Just a note, if a tech is dispatched for a relocation, you still might not get a new Cat5e run from the new location to the NID. The tech gets to test the existing cable and reuse any drop that meets the U-verse requirements. If you insist on a specific media, drop location or other specific install requirements there may be additional charges.

So far it sounds like you can make notes of the existing wiring, document what you are doing and if you take the proper safety steps it can be a good DYI project. It really is not rocket science.

If you break it, you fix it or call AT&T. Just don't expect them to fix what you mess up for free.

Dave

edit: still learning to spell them big words


porthos

@swbell.net

"the output to the STBs / DVR is a COAX that is fed to a diplexer connection"

I don't understand what you mean here. I don't have any coax anywhere in my setup. Everything from the NID to the STB is wired with Cat5e twisted pair. Could you enlighten me on what you are referring to?



Tel

join:2001-10-12
Reviews:
·AT&T Southeast

said by porthos :

"the output to the STBs / DVR is a COAX that is fed to a diplexer connection"

I don't understand what you mean here. I don't have any coax anywhere in my setup. Everything from the NID to the STB is wired with Cat5e twisted pair. Could you enlighten me on what you are referring to?
Then everything he mentioned about the diplexer connection you would ignore since you have only Cat5. What he was referring to was a coax hookup.


WiFiguru
To infinity... and beyond
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join:2005-06-21
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reply to trparky

said by trparky:

said by RocketJeff:

Why do you think that you have to have a tech to move the boxes?
Well, if you're aware of how these data networks work (Coax HPNA or Ethernet) then go right ahead and move the STB in your own house. But if you don't know what you're doing and you're afraid of messing things up, then go ahead and call them to move the STB.

Not everyone has the same skill set. Not everyone knows how to network computers.
+1

Bottom line -- if you know what you are doing, and how your house wiring is ran, then be my guest and move it.

If you haven't a clue on what you are doing, call up AT&T and schedule an appointment.

Dandolo

join:2002-03-18
Saint Louis, MO

reply to dave006
Thought I'd give a report for anyone still interested.

On closer examination of the wiring between the NID and the RG I was convinced that it was just an old POTS line. Since I had another old unused POTS line running from the NID directly to my office, I swapped out the leads for the yellow and black posts (see picture) and moved the RG to my office. I then ran the coax to the new location, plugged the green wire into the old phone jack, and crossed my fingers.

It worked! I tested speeds on the various computers in the house before and after and saw either no difference or, in one case, an improvement! (I get the 10/1.5 package.) And the three set-top boxes are working fine, just as always. My VOIP is Ooma, and that too is working without a hitch.

Thanks for all the advice! As I said, I didn't mind calling a tech, but it was not difficult and even a little fun to do it myself. And cheaper!

I suppose that if I ever increase the speed on my data package that they may have to use something beside thin POTS copper to run to the RG, but for now, I'm good.


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