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KodiacZiller
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Unbelievable: Police Setup Drug Honeypot on Highway

I was reading Schneier's blog and came across this story. Hello Police state. Basically what happened is the cops setup a road sign which basically said there would be a narcotics search ahead. But instead of the drug search taking place ahead, it actually took place at the exit. Clever, but constitutional?

So let's say I had to take the exit because I lived near it, should that be reasonable grounds to search my car? Should I be subjected to searches merely for driving down the road and minding my own business? First they want to have warrantless access to everyone's medical records and now they want to search cars at random with no probable cause. I hope ACLU sues the shit out of these jackboots.

Link here.
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StreetSpirit
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I remember that during communism in Russia, one of the "Milizia" could search your car at any time for any darn reason he felt like. If people sheepishly bow down and accept these intrusions on one's freedoms, they will continue and become worse as time goes on.

This is a jackbooted thug method familiar to any dictator - search them anytime, anywhere, for any reason.

Don't let them take your guns - sadly, it is the only "equalizer" left to us proles.

BTW This may not be the proper forum for this sort of thing.

Dave


nonymous
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reply to KodiacZiller
They have dui checkpoints.



AB
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said by StreetSpirit:

BTW This may not be the proper forum for this sort of thing.
Falls under "privacy":




Dude111
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reply to KodiacZiller
Not surprising really.....



Snowy
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reply to KodiacZiller
The problem I have with this type of stop is that the sign might as well read
"Car search fishing expedition ahead"
Everything from an expired insurance card to a corpse in the trunk becomes fair game.



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reply to KodiacZiller
I would have nothing to hide personally. But if I saw a sign saying they were doing random or everyone searches ahead, I'd get off the road and try to go around it. None of their business!

However, we already have checkpoints all around the states that border Mexico. And from state to state looking for illegals, veggies, fruits, meats, etc etc. I would go around these too, but you can't really.

And it isn't any of their business. But we are in a police state. Most are just too stupid to realize it yet.
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joshub

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reply to KodiacZiller
The article does not have any evidence that police has any type of checkpoint on or off the highway. It's just wild speculation based on the sign. The sign itself, I don't see what law that would violate.

It's possible that police would have someone waiting at the exit to look for a car that can be pulled over for any minor traffic violations, such as lights being out.

Once pulled over, they still need your consent to search or a reasonable suspicion of crime. Almost always, police gets the consent easily because they are dealing with stupid people, maybe even under the influence already. This would be fully constitutional and that's how they get most of the drugs from cars.



camaro92
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reply to Snowy
its called we are starting to do there job for them,why actually hit the pavement and do real police work when everyone comes to u.


countryhick

join:2004-09-12
Lonedell, MO

reply to KodiacZiller
MO State and county LE have been doing that on eastbound I44 about the 242 mile marker for years. No LE vehicles in sight until you take the first exit after the drug inspection checkpoint signs.


ImpetusEra
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Don't see any big deal with the placement of the sign and actual checkpoint. It says it is ahead and the sign is before the exit so technically if you take the exit and hit the checkpoint it's ahead of the sign. As for the search or whatever they do at the checkpoint just do what they say. Sure it's a nuisance but probably takes all of 5 minutes or less. Seems worth it if it gets some drugged up junkie off the road.


tobicat
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reply to KodiacZiller
So let me see. The Border patrol has check points on every road out of Mexico they are well known and published on the maps. So according to you if they set up additional check points on the dirt bypass roads they are breaking the law.

Well I hope they break them to hell and back and catch every one of those criminals.
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i1me2ao
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reply to KodiacZiller
well comrade it is only going to get better as the nanny state grows..



dMarks
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reply to StreetSpirit

said by StreetSpirit:

I remember that during communism in Russia, one of the "Milizia" could search your car at any time for any darn reason he felt like...
Heh. the police still do it there according to my dad. He's visited there a few times. If you go, take bribe money (seriously).
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mikefxu

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reply to KodiacZiller
I am fine with this. They did this in Georgia while I was there on vacation. Its better they inconvenience a small group versus shutting down the whole highway.


Zoder

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Checkpoints are fine. You agree to them when you applied for your license. The problem would be them stopping you and then searching inside your car without probable cause



KodiacZiller
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said by tobicat:

So let me see. The Border patrol has check points on every road out of Mexico they are well known and published on the maps. So according to you if they set up additional check points on the dirt bypass roads they are breaking the law.

Well I hope they break them to hell and back and catch every one of those criminals.
Border searches are fine (well the laptop searches are a bit much, imo) because they are screening people coming into the country from another. But this is a different story because it's not taking place on the border and there is no reason to search random people without probable cause.

And DUI checkpoints are different as well. For one, the police are looking at what is in front of them in plain sight (the driver) and aren't searching cars at random.
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battleop

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reply to KodiacZiller
It's been 10 or more years since I have seen them do this in my area. Another trick was to set signs out at the bottom of a hill that said "Drug Check Point 1 Mile" They would sit in the woods with binoculars and pick off people who were throwing things out of the car before the got over the hill. I think the cough a lot of dumb asses that way.



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said by KodiacZiller:

Clever, but constitutional?
Link here.
You may find this interesting.

Phil


Xioden
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said by Zoder:

Checkpoints are fine. You agree to them when you applied for your license. The problem would be them stopping you and then searching inside your car without probable cause
This^ Normal police stop procedure should for the most part apply.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJrQBwJpqk


Probably most importantly, you should NEVER consent to a search at a checkpoint. If they have probable cause to search they can AND will make the search. Consenting to a search just opens up the possibility for you to get in trouble for something you weren't even aware was present.
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