 JGROCKYPremium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | Guess it's propaganda season again! 
»opinion.financialpost.com/2010/0···etition/ |
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Its a completely valid opinion and the article makes some good points. |
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Drinkin' the Bell Kool-Aid again... |
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Hmm, it has the waft of T. Corcoran.
Relax its the National Post, a twelve year old enterprise that has yet to be profitable, it is not even a National newspaper anymore.  |
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 pnjunctionTeksavvy ExtremePremium
join:2008-01-24
Toronto, ON
kudos:1 | reply to JGROCKY
Bad garage analogy is bad.
There's nothing to stop people from building a dozen competing garages. A dozen different cables to everybody's dwelling? Not happening. The right of way that the cable and phone infrastructure owners have is an insurmountable advantage that the garage owner doesn't possess.
It's more like there are two spots where it is possible/allowed to build garages, and they're already there. In that case they should have to share the space. |
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 CanerisErikCanerisPremium,VIP
join:2007-10-03
Toronto, ON
kudos:2 | reply to JGROCKY
I stopped reading at the "insert irrelevant analogy here" part of the first sentence: "Imagine if you were the owner of the only fully equipped garage outlet"
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Agree with you Rocky. This is pretty bad. These guys have no real clue as to what a open access policy is. The garage analogy is not really applicable, since, well, there's nothing stopping anyone from building a new garage. The last mile, is, intrisically difficult and that is lost on these guys.
It's a shame. It only proves to me why I stopped reading both the National and Financial Posts. |
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"this makes the real competitors less profitable and less efficient, thus harming the interests of the very consumers it claims to protect."
I waste 10 min reading that piece of crap before I read this. Put this at the top and save me some time, sell out fat asses. |
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pnjunctionTeksavvy ExtremePremium
join:2008-01-24
Toronto, ON
kudos:1
1 edit | reply to JGROCKY
Oh god and then his grand finale is throwing out satellite and wireless as a way to keep the pressure on the wired operators? Pathetic joke. |
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| said by pnjunction:Oh god and then his grand finale is throwing out satellite and wireless as a way to keep the pressure on the wired operators? Pathetic joke. Especially after it notes that the wireless services are run by the incumbents!
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 TSI GabePremium,VIP
join:2007-01-03
Chatham, ON
kudos:2
1 edit | Financial Post is owned by Sun Media which is in turn owned by Quebecor Media which owns Videotron and all. nuff said. |
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1 edit | reply to JGROCKY
The national post showed its colours when all this began:
»webcache.googleusercontent.com/s···&ct=clnk |
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a quick Google search of the editorial author's name reveals that they're both lawyers
Michel Kelly-Gagnon was head of the Montreal Economic Institute (MEI) which apparently advocates free markets and smaller government
Martin Masse is publisher of the libertarian webzine Le Québécois Libre and a former advisor to Industry minister Maxime Bernier.
and interesting enough: Maxime Bernier had some sort of association with the MEI as it's Vice-President no less |
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pnjunctionTeksavvy ExtremePremium
join:2008-01-24
Toronto, ON
kudos:1 | reply to Taylortbb
said by Taylortbb:said by pnjunction:Oh god and then his grand finale is throwing out satellite and wireless as a way to keep the pressure on the wired operators? Pathetic joke. Especially after it notes that the wireless services are run by the incumbents! Hah indeed.
Don't worry we can just choose to forgo in the internet and watch TV instead on Bell satellite or Rogers cab...craaaap. |
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Opinions Vary ... |
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JGROCKYPremium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | reply to justsomeguy8
said by justsomeguy8:Its a completely valid opinion and the article makes some good points. What point pray tell is either a good or factual point in there? This is the crap that gets planted, rinsed, recycled and eventually used to try and make a point with.... |
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Yep a small town from a "B-" rated horror movie.
A one-way street in, a toll road out.
The automotive repair shop straddles the highway like a drive thru, and does mandatory "safety" inspections on the vehicles before they are allowed on the toll road.
The speed limit on the toll road is strictly enforced by the town police and out of towners have to drive at 25 mph maximum except between the hours of 4:00pm to 2:00am when the speed is reduced to 5 mph.
Unless of course you are on your way to the drive-in movie theater then the speed limit is raised to 60 mph and the toll is waived.
Upon leaving the drive-in theater one finds oneself back on the road into town. Enjoy your stay at the motel. |
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 LiQuiDBSD geekPremium
join:2002-08-08
Anjou, QC | reply to JGROCKY
said by JGROCKY:said by justsomeguy8:Its a completely valid opinion and the article makes some good points. What point pray tell is either a good or factual point in there? This is the crap that gets planted, rinsed, recycled and eventually used to try and make a point with.... There is a VERY valid point in all that. Sure, the analogy (yet again...) stinks, and the writers have clearly misunderstood what the independent ISP's are, clearly already having judged in their mind that they are "mere" resellers. However, having worked at a couple of ISP's, and you that owns one, I'm sure you've seen more than your share of companies that you really wish weren't in the market, because they make the "real" ISP's look bad.
That said, here's my valid point in all that: treating telecom networks (my interpretation of this is the physical "last mile") as public infrastructure. Lost in all the other junk and the resulting anger from many is that THIS IS THE ONLY solution that works. Speaking of inefficient, I'm sure we'd all agree that having 872498242 different wires, between multiple coax, copper, and even fiber coming into each home is not something viable, and is certainly inefficient (understatement of the decade). There's your valid point.
Another valid point is that at the end of the day, regardless of what the author is saying is the solution, they are right to criticize the fact that with everything the CRTC has done, the CLECs do account for a tiny fraction of the market.
Does this mean I think the CRTC's decision was wrong? As a matter of fact, HELL YEAH. I'd have gladly seen it go the route of mandating open access to the CO's, and not this bullshit GAS (in the process hoping it would kill this pppoe dumbness once and for all) even if it meant I'd likely lose the chance to be a teksavvy client because my CO is likely one of the last ones a CLEC would choose to equip. Even though it makes it difficult for ISP's to go nationwide (where nation = Quebec+ Ontario DSL), it allows an ISP to at least have the ability to gradually grow into one. You can start by serving the highest density and/or most commercial CO's for greatest bang for your buck, and expand from there. Sure, we wouldn't see EVERY isp competing for clients in EVERY CO, but that's not always a bad thing either.
I'm tired of ISP's whining about bell not sharing and so on. As much as I despise bell, it's too easy for ISP's to enter the entire market piggybacking off of Bell's backend (irrespective of the fact it's the only way to do it right now). Truth is, ISP's are NOT just leasing the copper, they're leasing the copper, and using Bell's ATM cloud (or whatever this PPPoE junk uses to bridge from CO's to CLEC ISP's) to transport packets from the client to the CO (the last mile/copper part) and then from the CO to their own POP (The ATM cloud part). Changing this would be beneficial, even if it takes some of the very smallest ISP's out of the market (they're only there because the CRTC's decisions have made it relatively easy to get one started up) and initially reduce the number of players out there, but it would allow the bigger players (of the CLECs) to grab a foothold of the market by being able to really differentiate, by offering whatever they fancied. You name your breed of DSL, or TV or even telephony as a VOIP-ish service, sort of like what videotron's telephony does. And that's just thinking out loud in 30 seconds half drunk from celebrating rosh hashanah with the wife.
Sometimes it helps to be a full blown geek with a BComm, but sometimes it frustrates the hell out of me. |
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 corsterPremium
join:2002-02-23
Gatineau, QC
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said by TSI Gabe:Financial Post is owned by Sun Media which is in turn owned by Quebecor Media which owns Videotron and all. nuff said. Financial Post is owned by PostMedia Networks, the former newspaper arm of CanWest.
Not Sun Media.
Easy mistake to make though.
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 RR ConductorNWP RR Inc.,serving NW CAPremium
join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
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It's Flavor-Aid, Jim Jones gave his followers in Jonestown Grape Flavored, Cyanide laced Flavor-Aid, not Kool-Aid, somehow it has been lost over the years. Your History Lesson for the day 
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