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Faulty witing or jacks causing DSL issues?

Personally, I'd ditch the filters, get a nice splitter, put it in your NID and make a home run to your DSL modem. Best thing I ever did.

reply to Flybye

Thanks guys. I didn't know something like this existed. I'm assuming a model like this is the ticket?

»www.hometech.com/hts/products/wi···dsl.html

Seams simple enough, too. I'll probably just use a pair already in the cable and do a bit of rewiring to make it all work. I used to be very afraid when the tech would bust out the cable and I thought there was an elaborate combination of cables that made it all happen, but now I see it is just 2 simple wires from outside.

Before I jump into this, just one more thing. Is there a + or - polarity on phone wiring or does it not matter? I was being very careful with my first rewiring keeping all colors consistent, but am curious if it doesn't matter at all.

reply to Flybye
That piece woudl require you to go into the telco side of the NID as you might have older binding post vs. the newer insulation displacement/piercing ones. I wish I had a picture of it, but I kludged one out of a two port DSL filter as a friends house that was 45 minutes from anything resembling a electronics store...

They had an older NID so I plugged one end of the filter into the test jack, then took the main pair and crimped a rj-11 on it and plugged that into the phone side, and took a cat5e cable crimped another rj-11 on blue/white and ran that to the modem and crimped again. Plugged that cable into the DSL side. It was a tight fit as they only had a 3 line NID but it worked and still works to this day... I did put in some anti-oxidation gell into the jacks as a precaution

reply to Flybye
To be honest, unless you are running 12 phones you can usually skate by just by using an interior filter as a nid splitter. I did that for a while when my first nid splitter died.

reply to netboy34
You can also buy bits that will let you get into the phone co side of the box. I had to do this because my house was wired as a rental with 6 or 8 of those jacks, which left me no room for my splitter. I saved them all in case the phone co wants them back, but they've been into my box since and haven't said a word. I actually got complimented by the AT&T guy when he saw my setup.

yea, but around my part of the woods, the techs get very angry if they feel anyone has tampered... so I generally stay away from that side if I have to.

reply to Flybye

said by Flybye:

So the grand questions.

1) What could be causing the fault?
2) Could I have faulty wiring between the rooms/living room, or could even old jacks cause this issue, or could it even be a combination of bad cables and jacks?
3) Should I connect DSL filters to each jack even though there is nothing on those jacks or is that a waste of time?
3) And how could these things even go bad to cause this issue? Lets rule out rodents chewing at the cables as I'm sure its not that.

If this is AT&T I'd go online, sign up for the Inline maintenance package, then wait until it was active and call them out and have them fix it. $7.50 versus a $60 (minimum) service call.

You just posted a big rant about this in the AT&T forum... about how AT&T won't fix anything if you have Inline... and how crappy their service is... yet you tell someone else to try and pull the same scam?
Seriously, they are smarter than this. The guy who comes out will know this was a pre-existing condition and charge you for it anyway. Trust me, they are hip tot the script.
I used to LOVE busting people who tried that scam.
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reply to Flybye
1) Hard to tell. If DSL signal is marginal at NID lots of things can cause problems. I'd disconnect wiring from NID and use an ohm meter set to high range check the resistance from each wire to all other wires and to ground. With phones on hook or disconnect should be extremely high, tens of megohms.

2) See 1

3) I'm a big fan of whole house POTS/DSL splitter. Splitter does a better job isolating DSL from voice and it eliminates need to use inline filters at each device

4) In my case high humidity caused corrosion to build up on a couple of jacks in the basement. This creates a partial short between line 1 and 2. Interesting it was not enough to affect voice but it completely killed DSL, even using a splitter.

/tom

reply to Flybye
Did the tech that disconnected the wiring even check the jacks. Or was this say a free it works I am leaving quick with no check. If the jacks have never been checked do that. If it is looped may at least be able to say narrow it down between two jacks.

reply to tschmidt

reply to Flybye
If you're going to do a home run, you should use a separate cable for the DSL modem. You DON"T want your DSL signal to be going to the other jacks in the house.

If you use a separate pair that goes to other jacks and you use a flat 4-conductor line cord on one of those jacks, you'll introduce crosstalk onto your DSL line and cause problems.

If you can disconnect the pair used for DSL from the other parts of your phone system, that would probably be OK.

reply to public
A splitter *does not* completely isolate the DSL. A short / ground @ 2000 Hz is a short / ground @ 50,000 Hz as well. A DSL filter / splitter is simply a low-pass filter circuit.

The OP needs to have their trouble cleared, then worry about filters and splitters.

reply to public

reply to Flybye
An alternative is to put the phone wiring back to its 'working' state as far as DSL is concerned. Buy cordless phones and put the base unit where the present working phone is. Station the remotes in rooms as desired, the only thing required at the remote is AC power for the remote charger - no phone lines are required.

There are a number of suppliers for cordless phones, I use Panasonic, but Motorola, Uniden, AT&T and numerous off-brands make these systems. Most can handle up to six phones. Packages are available with 1 to 4 phones, plus you can buy additional remotes.

You might want to re-read the first post... this is for DirecTV receivers that have to be connected, not phones.

I'm still rooting for homerun for the DSL