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Re: Home Owner's Electrical Test Or maybe you just have more money than me.
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1 edit | said by Bobcat79:Or maybe you just have more money than me. That's a completely different story. House size being average or huge (apples) vs. income to what you can afford (oranges).  |
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House price and income are related. We looked for about 6 months to get a house this size for the price we could afford. |
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said by Bobcat79:Income and house size tend to be related. location location location
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said by Msradell:said by nunya:By the time you drive around and mess with the tests, you'd probably break even just to hire someone on such a small job. Maybe so but it's like buying tools to do the job. Once you have them or this case the certificate it will help you in the future. There's also the satisfaction factor of passing the test and for doing the work yourself! It's certainly a lot more satisfying than just writing a check. I don't know about that (for me anyway).
I am well aware of my limitations and I have no problem writing a check to someone who has taken the time to acquire the experience necessary to be in the industry as a professional and provide the service I need.
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Riverhead, NY | reply to AVD
said by AVD:said by Bobcat79:Income and house size tend to be related. location location location If you'd like to choke on whatever your drinking/eating look up the cost of a house in suffolk county, on long island...your still looking at $250k for a decent two/three bedroom house with 1/1.5/2 bathrooms in a decent town.
My friend found out that I paid almost $300k for my house and was in amazement....he said in texas he could have bought three huge houses for that! |
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1 edit | you realize you are quoting two Jersey guys? Are we supposed to be impressed? I'm sure your $300k suffolk home would be $800K out here.
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said by fcisler:If you'd like to choke on whatever your drinking/eating look up the cost of a house in suffolk county, on long island...your still looking at $250k for a decent two/three bedroom house with 1/1.5/2 bathrooms in a decent town. My friend found out that I paid almost $300k for my house and was in amazement....he said in texas he could have bought three huge houses for that! You've got to be kidding. $250k in my town gets you a 2 bedroom condo on 1 floor with NO garage.
3 bedrooms, 2 baths, runs a minimum of $650k. |
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kudos:2 | you could buy my house 2 or 3 times for $650K !!!! |
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Tulsa, OK | reply to Bobcat79
said by Bobcat79:3 bedrooms, 2 baths, runs a minimum of $650k. Here, that would probably run you about $125-$150k, depending on age and finish.
$650k would get you this. Great neighborhood, 6500 square feet, 4 bed, 6 bath, with a pool.
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| said by wierdo:said by Bobcat79:3 bedrooms, 2 baths, runs a minimum of $650k. Here, that would probably run you about $125-$150k, depending on age and finish. Cheapest I can find in my town is $180k. That gets you a 475 sq ft, 1 bedroom / 1 bath condo. No garage, but it has central A/C.
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said by fcisler:If you'd like to choke on whatever your drinking/eating look up the cost of a house in suffolk county, on long island...your still looking at $250k for a decent two/three bedroom house with 1/1.5/2 bathrooms in a decent town. I think you are looking at the perspective of Suffolk Country, from Riverhead area. Try a 2 or 3 bedroom house any where in Western Suffolk Country, Huntington, or the South Fork. $500,000 to $1,000,000 and even higher depending on location. 3 Bedroom house where I live? $800,000 and higher. ($600,000 and up if its a fully attached row-house.) That one can choke on. |
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Is the real estate infomercial over yet....? 
Back to the OP's topic...
For electrical students and those who have to deal with the Code on an infrequent basis, the Tom Henry's Keyword Index is an invaluable resource.
»www.code-electrical.com/2008nectabs.html
It is FAR better than the index in the Code book itself. Why the NFPA has not figured out that the Code index is crap and followed TH's lead, I dunno.
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I think tabs are probably the most valuable help for test taking (and daily use).
When I get inspectors with their own ideas, I like to have the "bible" handy.
There's nothing that pisses me off more than when a muni says they adopted the NEC, then have their own little "unwritten rules" that they come up with because "somebody heard somewhere that...".
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kudos:5 | said by nunya:What's wrong with the index? Other than it is terrible...?? 
The JH Keyword index is a great aftermarket addition, especially for the more obscure and/or infrequently used aspects of the Code.
I took the classes and test without it. My point is that if someone does not use the Code on a daily basis or have other reasons to consult it often, it is a bit bewildering, and the JH index facilitates answering their questions.
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Wow... I forget to report back and this thread exploded in length.
Good news... I got the electrical permit! By extension, I assume I passed the test. However, I think the guy cheated me out of some points the first time around. On the second attempt, I noticed he marked the second question wrong. I am 99% sure I had it right; it was nothing more than a 'definition' type question. I picked the answer, word for word, out of the definition section. He graded it very quickly, so I honestly wonder if he was grading it from 'memory' and his memory is a little fuzzy. Whatever, I have the permit.
This time, I got through the test much quicker -- in fact, I had time to write down the section from which I got an answer for each question; that way, when if I had time to re-check my answers, I could quickly go back to the relevant section. At the end, I had answered all question but maybe two based on the code. There was one question that was basically: 'If you have No. 8 wire and 20 amp breaker, what is the circuit rated for?' -- Well, I took the assumption if the breaker is 20 amp... then the circuit is only good for, at most, the breaker, the wiring doesn't really matter.
As to the actual work and the questions regarding it. Attached should be a VERY rough diagram I threw together in mspaint. The drawings I used for the permit were done in Visio on my work laptop and much nicer. Obviously, red is new.
Basically, a roughly 24' x 10' play area with a door to the unfinished area and a wide closet. Maybe a door on the left hand side at the bottom of the stairs. Then, to keep the noise down in my 'work area' from the air handler, a wall sectioning off the left hand extension; other walls in the work area remain unfinished.
By code, I think maybe 11 or 12 outlets and 3 or 4 switches. I rounded up to 15/5 since we may add more than code requires.
My father -in-law have started framing the walls... hardest part has been sinking the screws into the concrete floor. We think we keep hitting 'rocks' in the concrete. I've already dulled 4 masonry drill bits to sink 15 screws. Ugh. |
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Are you using the bits that come in the pack of screws?
The first thing I do with them is throw them away. |
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said by phantom6294:My father -in-law have started framing the walls... hardest part has been sinking the screws into the concrete floor. We think we keep hitting 'rocks' in the concrete. I've already dulled 4 masonry drill bits to sink 15 screws. Ugh. A good hammer drill will solve this problem. (Note that I said "good". The POS ones from Harbor Freight don't have the balls to bust through tough aggregate).
Congrats on passing the test! |
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Go get a hilti or Ramset. I once made 30 grand in 10 weeks as a first term apprentice cleaning Ramsets 70 hours a week at GM in Oshawa. Company screwed up and got journeyman's rate. Anything over 36 hours was double time. |
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