 ThespisI'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.Premium
join:2004-08-03
Keller, TX | reply to medbuyer
Re: Running dedicated line for DSL said by medbuyer:said by Thespis:said by medbuyer:go with CAT5...CAT3 is old Cat 3 is "old"? It's copper wire. For his purposes it makes no difference at all. probably in your neck of the woods, CAT3 is still popular but in my part of town, CAT5 is the standard.... did I mention that it's cheap? The Cat 5 can be used in the future for network drops. For this specific run, why on earth wouldn't he use the Cat 3 that he already has?
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 NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:9
 ·SONIC.NET
·Pacific Bell - SBC
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Since you already have the CAT 3, go ahead and use it. In most cases, proponent of CAT 5e are looking at the cost; and four-pair CAT 3 is generally not less expensive than CAT 5e.
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 dmxrob6Premium
join:2005-06-24
Boonville, MO
·AT&T Southwest
| Thanks everyone. I actually just got home from the holiday weekend and checked in the garage. I have a spool of 2-pair Cat3 and a spool of Cat6.
I think I am going to just do as others suggested and use the Cat6. After all, it might be overkill, but at least I know I "built it to last" as it were.
As far as the Cat3 goes, I do have a phone jack that could use rewiring. Maybe I'll use it for that. |
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dmxrob6Premium
join:2005-06-24
Boonville, MO Reviews:
·AT&T Southwest
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What is ATT/T? Ok, another question - they came out and spray painted our backyard because AT&T was running a new phone line to the house (to replace a short on the existing line). I can see the phone line from the pop-up being marked with "ATT/D" for AT&T Distribution. However, along the back fence for about 10 feet they have a line marked "ATT/T" -- what is this? AT&T Transmission? Is this the "main cable" for the neighborhood or what? |
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Get a shinny new quarter. Heads it's Cat3, Tails it's Cat5. |
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The major difference in a "whole house filter" and a single "phone filter" is the REN rating. Old phones actually rang a bell and drew line current to do that. ALL phones have a REN rating but MOST modern phones have a rating way below "1". Phone filters have a rating to handle about 1 REN. Whole house filters have a much higher rating and can handle the current to ring multiple OLD phones. (In the range of about 5 RENs) |
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 tschmidtPremium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
kudos:8
·G4 Communications
·Fairpoint Commun..
 ·Hollis Hosting
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said by jaa:What is a whole-house DSL filter? If his stats are the same with modem plugged into NID test jack there there is no advantage to using a real whole house splitter.
I use a Corning/Siecor splitter, now being sold by TiiTech. There are three major differences between it and inline filters.
1) Has a three stage passive low pass filter vs single stage used with inline filter. Does a better job isolating Voice from DSL.
2) Fused balanced surge protector. Offer a little extra protection. Because there is no Earth path for the protector I'm not sure how effective it is. I use a secondary protector bonded to building ground system.
3) Includes a half-ringer test circuit after the low pass filter. This allows the one in the NID, to be removed. ADSL is designed to work in the presence of half-ringer but if signal is marginal every little bit helps.
Splitter eliminates the clutter of inline filters and there is no possibility someone will connect an unfiltered device.
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| said by tschmidt:said by jaa:What is a whole-house DSL filter? Includes a half-ringer test circuit after the low pass filter. This allows the one in the NID, to be removed. ADSL is designed to work in the presence of half-ringer but if signal is marginal every little bit helps. /tom Half-ringers have not been included in NID design for at least the past 25 years. Telco techs routinely remove half-ringers from OLD NIDS because they serve no real purpose and the past two generations of NIDs don't even have them. |
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 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ | reply to dmxrob6
Run regular quad twisted pair; if you only have one number a lamp cord will work. We are not talking broadband here. &_& |
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| said by batterup:Run regular quad twisted pair; if you only have one number a lamp cord will work. We are not talking broadband here. &_& DSL is available at 1.5, 3.0 and 6 meg. That's broadband in my book. |
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 nunyaWho is John Galt?Premium,MVM
join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO
kudos:8
 ·Charter
·surpasshosting
 ·voip.ms
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I'll beg to differ there. I slapped up thousands of Keptels with 1/2 ringers. The only ones that got trimmed were DSL, ISDN, 56K (not dialup), etc...
The may or may not include them now, but as of 2007, they were still incorporated into the test unit module.
For the guy who asked what a 1/2 ringer is: It's a small device on the network side of the interface. If you crack one open, it's usually two diodes, a resistor, and a capacitor.
It needs a certain amount of A/C voltage (5-6 volts I think) to activate. Above talk, but less than full ringing voltage.
RTU, MTU, MLT, and / or repairmen / troublemen look for the distinctive signature of a 1/2 ringer when testing a line. Since it's on the network side, even if the customer (or whoever) pulled the plug on the NID, you can still kick the 1/2 ringer and know that the service isn't "open" anywhere before the premise. Without a 1/2 ringer, it would just test open out and balanced.
1/2 ringers have been known to affect marginal DSL service (borderline). If a tech is DPO on a DSL ticket, usually one of the first things he does is trim the 1/2 ringer.
A 1/2 ringer on the filtered side of the service alleviates any interference, but has the disadvantage of being on the customers side of the NID.
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ | reply to Waterbug
said by Waterbug:said by batterup:Run regular quad twisted pair; if you only have one number a lamp cord will work. We are not talking broadband here. &_& DSL is available at 1.5, 3.0 and 6 meg. That's broadband in my book. DSL will work on POTS wire a 1.5 T-1 won't. |
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 billaustinthey call me Mr. BillPremium,MVM
join:2001-10-13
North Las Vegas, NV
kudos:3 | said by batterup:said by Waterbug:said by batterup:Run regular quad twisted pair; if you only have one number a lamp cord will work. We are not talking broadband here. &_& DSL is available at 1.5, 3.0 and 6 meg. That's broadband in my book. DSL will work on POTS wire a 1.5 T-1 won't. DSL and T-1's are both delivered over standard copper wire (POTS Circuits). The lines need to be conditioned for either type of circuit (Bridge Taps and Voice Coils removed). Modern T-1's are essentially just a SDSL circuit delivered over a single pair (with a SLA). |
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c4junkPremium
join:2004-05-08
Orlando, FL
1 edit | reply to dmxrob6
I put a whole house filter on my house about 6-7 years ago and have never had a problem running my 6meg service over the orig 22g JKT that my house was wired with 22 years ago, I run phone on red/green and DSL on black/yellow, but when I rehab-ed a flip house I ran a home run cat5 to each room . |
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tschmidtPremium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
kudos:8 Reviews:
·G4 Communications
·Fairpoint Commun..
·Hollis Hosting
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said by Waterbug:Half-ringers have not been included in NID design for at least the past 25 years. Are you sure you are not confusing half-ringer with Maintenance Terminating Unit (MTU)? As far as I know Half-ringer test circuit is still commonly used. When I had my NID upgraded in 2000 the modules all had Half-ringers. Tech disabled the one on the line I had SDSL, as half ringer is incompatible with SDSL.
MTUs was a clever 1st generation NID device that disconnected subscriber wiring to facilitate automated testing. Basically it is a voltage sensitive switch that disconnects subscriber side under low voltage low current conditions. Unfortunately it is incompatible with DSL and caused a lot of other problems. It has not been used for a long time.
Little more info about both is posted on my web site:
»www.tschmidt.com/writings/Broadb···24054254
/tom |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to dmxrob6
In all honesty, I'd run CAT5 because it's cheap and available and I'd have to make a special trip to go find some CAT3.
Sure, it's overkill, but think of it as "extra protection.")
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NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:9 Reviews:
·SONIC.NET
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by KrK:In all honesty, I'd run CAT5 because it's cheap and available and I'd have to make a special trip to go find some CAT3. Exactly my point: Most suggest CAT 5 because it is cheap and available. However, OP has a spool of CAT 3 on hand already. Might as well use it as let it sit.
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dmxrob6Premium
join:2005-06-24
Boonville, MO | reply to dmxrob6
If anyone is in the Boonville, MO area and ever needs some Cat3 or Cat6 cable shoot me a note. I have two huge spools sitting in the garage. Only so much cabling a guy can use -- and I have enough to last me a lifetime! |
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 Killa200Premium
join:2005-12-02
Southeast TN | reply to dmxrob6
define huge spool... i don't live near you, but if your talking more than 1000ft worth, i may be willing to ship some this way for a good price. |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ | reply to billaustin
said by billaustin: Modern T-1's are essentially just a SDSL circuit delivered over a single pair (with a SLA). In my day in New Jersey a T-1 would be put on copper only as a last resort; then it was two pair one for transmit and one for receive. In the building shielded cable had to be used for a T-1 DSL works on quad no problem. |
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