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Re: Hit your limit faster! said by baineschile:i am suprised it only took the 3rd post for someone to bitch about caps. having a faster car doesnt increase the amount you drive. Caps are the bane of consumers. Why shouldn't we talk about it? Caps should increase commensurate with the speed of the pipe - anything else is idiocy - see - that's probably why you're struggling to grasp this.
I'm not surprised that a pro industry shill is shooting their agenda off already, though... :P |
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 baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI
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2 edits | I am not saying caps arent a relevant broadband issue, but I dont think they need to be discussed in EVERY single thread.
This article pertains to the possibility of 1000 x the regular speeds we see now, over an infastructer that everyone thought was outdated. Yet people feel the need to always find the negative in everything, and its really getting a bit old.
If you are unhappy with caps, get the business class or an uncapped tier, switch providers to one that has an uncapped, or stop downloading so damn much. That is the easiest fix for it. And be excitied about the potential of gig-internet speeds. |
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 DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | Ya It is getting abit old having people ***** and **** abouta soft cap that is actually a legal safegaurd for the consumer as opposed to the hard cap+overage ATT and others have
1. All Caps should go away
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If you are unhappy with caps, get the business class or an uncapped tier
Are you willing to front the extra money for all of us? And don't give me the cost argument. Cable companies already make 80% margins on their product. The bandwidth itself costs them $1/month/person.
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switch providers to one that has an uncapped
And if there is no one else available that provides useful speeds?
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or stop downloading so damn much. That is the easiest fix for it.
When did the internet gods appoint you the dictator of the internet, tasked to bestow us with knowledge of "so much" and "just right"? |
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baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI Reviews:
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| said by sonicmerlin: And if there is no one else available that provides useful speeds? quote: If its really really really that important, move to an area that has a provider that is capless, and meets your speed needs.
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When did the internet gods appoint you the dictator of the internet, tasked to bestow us with knowledge of "so much" and "just right"? Get off your high horse already.
When I was born, and given the gift of being a reasonably intelligent person, who understands that a 250 gig cap is REASONABLE. I am a member of this site, thus having some interest in broadband news, and anyone that is going above that is doing something illegal, or running some sort of business from home. All the excuses in the world///net flix, sling boxes, etc etc, still wont add up to enough bandwidth to stay within the parameters of "normal home use". And guess what....if you ARE using that much bandwidth legally, you are probably hogging a whole node, ruining other peoples online experience (granted you can make the arguement that its how the network is built), and arent a cost effective customer. These businesses are here to MAKE MONEY, not please you at every whim you desire. Yes, I want unlimited broadband connection for $5 a month, 100mb up and down, but until the market reaches that point, you arent going to find me crying about it in online forumns. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Well said! |
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f its really really really that important, move to an area that has a provider that is capless, and meets your speed needs.
Why should I or anyone else have to move to get a decent, fairly provisioned internet connection? What aside from pure greed and an utter lack of competition is preventing current providers from providing what their customers deem as fair?
And most importantly who declared you almighty internet god to tell us we should move?
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When I was born, and given the gift of being a reasonably intelligent person, who understands that a 250 gig cap is REASONABLE.
I said get off your high-horse, not climb up onto an even higher one.
Let's analyze what you've implied here. 250 gigabytes is "reasonable", and because you think so you are intelligent. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is unintelligent. Please. Save me the preaching.
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if you ARE using that much bandwidth legally, you are probably hogging a whole node, ruining other peoples online experience.
A customer using the service they purchased is ruining the experience, while the provider is raking in bags and bags of profit. You're blaming the user while the ISP makes obscene levels of profit. I'm going to have to question your intelligence here.
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These businesses are here to MAKE MONEY, not please you at every whim you desire.
You are horribly wrong. A company is here to make money BY pleasing a customer's every whim and desire.
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Yes, I want unlimited broadband connection for $5 a month, 100mb up and down
Let's make this clear: you make those numbers up. No one here has ever asked for such a service, nor is anyone on this forum stupid enough to believe that such a low monthly price is even possible. On the other hand, a triple play for $40/month as offered by Free.fr would be very nice.
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but until the market reaches that point
And that's what you refuse to accept. There is no market. There is no competition. You either accept what you're given or you're left in the dust. That is not how capitalism operates. |
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baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI Reviews:
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| So go to your local SBA, take out a loan, and build you own local network, and connect all of your neighbors. Keep the speeds high, and the prices low. If you think there is a niche for people that want more broadband competition, and you can generate revenue and (hopefully) income, jump on it.
That is how capitalism works. |
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My understanding is that free.fr infrastructure is heavily (directly) subsidized by the French government. That means they don't have to charge as much to get any sort of decent ROI. I don't believe we can say the exact same thing about Comcast, TWC, etc. Only through their massive corporate tax breaks are they subsidized per se. Not that I don't have a problem w/ this, but it's a weakness of how monopolies and ologopolies develop against consumer benefits in the U.S. vs some other parts of the world. There is definitely a trade off with how we do things here. My friends who own businesses say it's a good thing, but the rest of perhaps won't necessarily agree.
Comments are greatly appreciated. |
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baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | Thats what we call socialism. If they are subsidized, they will eventually want some say and control.
Not that I disagree with it, but IMO, the US government has its hand in enough privatized industries already. |
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Do you even have the slightest idea how large a 1080p movie is? 250 gigabytes of bandwidth is very easy to eat up when you are downloading legally purchased HD movies. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to baineschile
Government's job is to lay the foundation for the free flow of trade.. not get involved in it. Government, lately, seems to feel that the ONLY one's able to make our society function, is them.
While there has been quite a bit of corruption on Wall St, that certainly doesn't spread to the rest of the business world which a lot of these rules are going to affect in the process.
I'm feeling fine where we are in the time line of politics at the moment. We have mid-term elections coming up right now, and the people are pissed!
ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that our current administration and congress do is under the microscope of the American people. According to MANY polls, the people are not happy.
While I do NOT like either the Dems or the Pubs, right now, one of the sides of congress needs to change hands to the republicans in order to create gridlock in the process. Government was designed so that change wouldn't come quickly for a reason. When we had a rubber stamp government under Bush, things got corrupt. Now that Omaba has the same thing, we're on the same course just in a different direction. Hell, even Rush Limbaugh warned the Republicans to knock it off or they'd face losing complete control to the dems and a lashback in reverse. Guess what? .. he was right!
Right now, we need to slow things down - those two sides need to meet somewhere in the middle and work together. While the two party system mostly sucks, big rocks, we really need both of those parties involved in order to make government work for everyone.
So, I say let Government continue on the course they are, if they're brave enough to do it as they're surely to hand partial control back to the other side and slow things down and get this country back under control. Socialism is around the corner if a change doesn't come soon. |
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 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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said by sonicmerlin:Are you willing to front the extra money for all of us? Basic residential service is $44.95/mo -- basic business service is $59.95. If you're in the minority of folks pulling down enough digital media to exceed 250GB, I'm pretty sure you can find the extra $15 -- especially if your argument is that you're legally paying for all of your content.
said by sonicmerlin:And don't give me the cost argument. Cable companies already make 80% margins on their product. The bandwidth itself costs them $1/month/person. And yet their company-wide net profit margins are about 10%. For example, Comcast's 2009 reported net income was $3.5 billion on $35 billion in revenue.
One of these days you'll figure out how to read a financial statement. Here's a hint: if you include only the "data network" line item from a MSO financial report, you don't have a functional network using only those components. You'll also notice the "data network" number includes none of the staff required to support the data network product. Oh, and node splits to reduce the number of homes per coax broadcast segment (augmenting capacity) -- those costs are reflected on the video services line item. |
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Suffern, NY | said by espaeth: Oh, and node splits to reduce the number of homes per coax broadcast segment (augmenting capacity) -- those costs are reflected on the video services line item. The only thing affected by a node split so far as video is concerned is VoD bandwidth and SDV capasity. All other video is the same stream being feed over all nodes (IOW: Broadcast/Cable/Movie channels). VoD is one-to-one Unicast [each customer has their own session] while SDV is one-to-many Multicast [there are as many sessions as there are channels CURRENTLY being watch unlike normal channels that are being feed and using bandwidth even if NOONE is watching].
Thus the primary need to split is to support Internet not Non-Broadcast Video Bandwidth. |
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espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| said by RARPSL:said by espaeth: Oh, and node splits to reduce the number of homes per coax broadcast segment (augmenting capacity) -- those costs are reflected on the video services line item. The only thing affected by a node split so far as video is concerned is VoD bandwidth and SDV capasity. Sure, but the context of this whole argument is capacity made available for HSI data.
My point is that even though the primary driver for node splits is to augment HSI data capacity, the costs are accounted for as part of Video Services on financial reports like a 10-K because MSOs include all physical plant expenses against their video expense line item. |
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
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said by baineschile:I am not saying caps arent a relevant broadband issue, Caps are relevant for the cord cutter issue!
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