DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
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| Best RG11 to use
I'm upgrading my RG6QS to RG11 and just interested in what the people with more coax experiance have to say on the selection I made
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beachintech
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| my only question is why? You most will not see an increase in signal of any meaningful value unless your runs are 300 ft +...
I would not put direct burial cable inside any house. The gel inside the cable can move to corrode the connectors or equipment it is connected to.
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MalibuMaxx
join:2007-02-06
Chesterton, IN
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| Unless your basement or crawl floods...
I currently have RG11 in my crawl. I live on the bottom of a hill where floods are prone in basements and crawls... however this cable isnt directly connected to any equipment... ie cableboxes or modems. |
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gar187er
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Dover, DE | reply to DarkLogix
as was said, its overkill inside a house... |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
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| reply to beachintech
Initialy back when I orderd the cable I overlooked the direct burial part
and I'm not to worried about the gel as the RG11 connectors completely seal the end of the cable (the center conductor isn't exposed at the end like it is in rg6
the reason for the upgrade is the current cable has multiple couplers and is radio shack cable with factory hex crimp ends
also the upstream varies from 50 to 58DB
so I'm replacing the current
and since I'm replacing the current I'm replacing with better cable
so other than overkill and the burial part any problems |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | reply to beachintech
well the burial part was a misstake but I am a little worried about if another ike hits
but if that happens I'll have alot more to worry about |
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beachintech
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| reply to DarkLogix
You would be better off selling it and keeping the extra $$ and buying some nice RG6. Put proper fittings on it, homerun them to a central location, and call it a day.
If you really have to use it - it's all in the prep. The ends need to be prepped properly. The prep tool you linked is the same one I use every day. Make sure you don't score the center conductor, leave it too long, or not push the connector on far enough to make a good connection. Make sure you use a quality splitter (Antronix, Extreme Broadband, Commscope, etc. -- If you buy it at Radio Shack, Lowes, HD, Best Buy, etc. it is not a quality splitter.) or all of this will be a waste.
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
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| I have a ground block in the attic used as a hard point (and for possible splitting)
from the ped it goes to the outside block then from there to the attic then down into my room and to the cable modem
I'm only replacing the outside block to attic and attic to cm cables
although if enough is left I might see if comcast can replace the segment from the ped to outside block |
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rody_44
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join:2004-02-20
Quakertown, PA | Flooded cable isnt not used around the house because the jell damages the fittings or what its connected to. Its because it stains everything it gets on. Brick,siding,concrete,stucko, a year from now you Will regret using it. |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | reply to DarkLogix
just replaced part of it and the upstream droped from 50 to 46
and that was just cutting the end of one of the crapy radio shack cables and putting an compression end on
should be even better after the upgrade |
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techview
@verizon.net
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From a tech's point of view a RG-11 run inside of a house is a complete waste of money and time. There is absolutely no need for it. As was said, just replace it with a good quality RG-6, that's ALL you need. The 11 cable is for very long drop runs, outdoor use. The flooding compound turns into a complete mess, especially if you are subjecting it to extreme temps in an attic or outside walls. Plus with most RG-11 fittings you can't see the copper clad core from outside the fitting, so it is VERY easy to cut a bad fitting.( i.e.wrap the copper with braid, cut the fitting short/long, and not seat the fitting to the proper depth). Not to mention the much larger bend radius that will be required to make loops, turns and even the clearance on the back of wall plates. Not a very good idea at all. |
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gchris2203
join:2009-10-15
Lafayette, IN
| reply to DarkLogix
said by DarkLogix  :just replaced part of it and the upstream droped from 50 to 46 and that was just cutting the end of one of the crapy radio shack cables and putting an compression end on should be even better after the upgrade Sorry to inform you but you would of seen that improvement using good quality RG-6 with good fittings and splitters.
RG-11 is pointless to use in a house. If you home ran good RG-6 and put good fittings on your problems would of been solved. The RG-11 is hardly improving anything. You could of rewired everything with RG-6 and the difference would of most likely been less than a DB on your upstream. |
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insane2
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True-
You will notice ZERO difference when installing RG11. And as mentioned, forget about fishing a wall with it or even attempting to work it behind a wallplate. You would have to kink it at a 90 degree angle if that is even possible which would compromise the cable entirely.
It sounds like you are dead set in running RG11 in your home so enjoy but if you ever have a tech in your home for any reason and he sees RG11 ran inside he will think you are the biggest idiot on the face of the earth and solidify any stereotype he might already have of educated customers.
Ask any tech on here if he has ever done it on their own homes. They have not. I wired m entire home with standard RG6, 5 outlets, wallfished etc. This was 9 years ago. I have never had to go back and touch one piece of cable or pasive.
Levels solid, picture, perfect, stats excellent. |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
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| its funny to see how upset some people will get over someone elses use of their money
to put a short end to the thread
I've put the cable in place though I haven't switched to it yet (part of the reason for the dual grounding blocks)
the 4db improvement was from cutting a hex crimp off (of rg6) and putting a compression fitting on (in fact it hasn't hit 58DB since and has been at 46-48db)
there is no wall plate the cable drops down in a closet so no sharp bend
with these connectors there isn't any worry about the gel leaking
and as far as cost goes its my cost |
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Johkal
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Happy Valley
clubs: | Nothing wrong with overkill if money is not a concern.  |
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overkill
@videotron.ca | reply to DarkLogix
You asked people with more coax experience what they have to say about your choice of coaxial cable, they answered you! |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
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4 edits | I meant if there was any technical downside not opinions
ie if going from the 18GA copper conductor of the ped to grounding block to 14GA copper coated steel of the rg11 (for the GB to CM) would risk causing a problem due to change of wire gauge
or if using such a good cable would risk messing up the balance of the amps (meaning the amps comcast likely has in their plant
ect
you know how many people run CAT6 ethernet cable for home use (when cat5E is rated to handle gig to full spec) or even people that use cat6A. and those that use when cat6 is pointless for anything as its not good enough for full spec 10gig nor the min for 1gig
going overboard is only a bad idea if the cost is unacceptable if the cost is acceptable and no downsides exist then your just future proofing
its not like I'm running QR320 |
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gar187er
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join:2006-06-24
Dover, DE
| said by DarkLogix :I meant if there was any technical downside not opinions ie if going from the 18GA copper conductor of the ped to grounding block to 14GA copper coated steel of the rg11 (for the GB to CM) would risk causing a problem due to change of wire gauge or if using such a good cable would risk messing up the balance of the amps (meaning the amps comcast likely has in their plant ect you know how many people run CAT6 ethernet cable for home use (when cat5E is rated to handle gig to full spec) or even people that use cat6A. and those that use when cat6 is pointless for anything as its not good enough for full spec 10gig nor the min for 1gig going overboard is only a bad idea if the cost is unacceptable if the cost is acceptable and no downsides exist then your just future proofing its not like I'm running QR320 11 is essentially 320.... only like .5db difference in loss.....very minimum....
why would you running rg11 in house, mess up amps on the main line!?!?! lol (WTF?)
cat6 is the same physical size, and doesnt have a flooding compound....
your 4db gained on the return was cause of crap connectors and crap wiring....adding 11, will do nearly NOTHING for your return which is run anywhere from 20mhz up to 40ish...look at loss for both at 45...rg6, about 1.4....rg11, is about 1.0
and we have said about the flooding compound...but you believe your fittings will stop it 100% of the time...people here have told you otherwise, people who work with it everyday.....IT LEAKS!!! period....sticky nasty, i hate dealing with it....
320 would be better...lol...for the fact its easier to work with, no compound in it, and just a better cable overall....
hell;ask any cable tech if they would wire their house with rg11...they would laugh their asses off..... |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
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| said by gar187er :11 is essentially 320.... only like .5db difference in loss.....very minimum.... why would you running rg11 in house, mess up amps on the main line!?!?! lol (WTF?) cat6 is the same physical size, and doesnt have a flooding compound.... your 4db gained on the return was cause of crap connectors and crap wiring....adding 11, will do nearly NOTHING for your return which is run anywhere from 20mhz up to 40ish...look at loss for both at 45...rg6, about 1.4....rg11, is about 1.0 and we have said about the flooding compound...but you believe your fittings will stop it 100% of the time...people here have told you otherwise, people who work with it everyday.....IT LEAKS!!! period....sticky nasty, i hate dealing with it.... 320 would be better...lol...for the fact its easier to work with, no compound in it, and just a better cable overall.... hell;ask any cable tech if they would wire their house with rg11...they would laugh their asses off..... the amps part was just a crazy theory of a maybe problem but I doubt it would be any where near real
the ethernet part was related to the cost consern
the selection of burial was an over sight but only one of the connections will be in an area where a leak would even be of consern and I'm adding to the connector a bit of shrink wrap
also from cutting it the gel seems very thin
it wasn't jusr 4db (before that crap connector was changed it was at 58db most of the time and at best 50) after the connector change its best has been 46 and worst 49
honestly I might have looked at 320 if it was anywhere near as findable
I might very well pull out the burial and get non-burial at some point (ie if I see any leakage) if that happens then I'll see if I can find this qr320 and if the cost is under $1 per foot and the connectors are under $5 per (I think those costs are about where I draw the line on over kill) |
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Dspairl
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Norwich, CT
| reply to DarkLogix
Trust me I don't think you would want to spend the money on the tools needed to use qr320 lol. Just my experiences with RG-11 in homes i've only seen it once and after 4 hours of hassle the home owner that put it in said "Well I thought it was going to save you time". In the end we got it run, and he was happy and then we got a trouble call from him and ended up going back out to find that it was leaking all over the place even with so called Total Seal connectors. You would be better off just using a nice qs-r6 and calling it a day, then again that's just my 2cents what you do is up to you but it's not like you're future proofing anything with running the rg-11. |
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