garys_2k
join:2004-05-07
Farmington, MI | [General] Chicago Going to 11 Digit Dialing
Will this have any impact on VoIP calls to PSTN numbers? I doubt it, because a VoIP-originated call is delivered right to the CO of the called party, I think.
Anyway, I wonder if outbound CID could have the "1" prefixed, or would need to. |
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crazyk4952
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united state
clubs: | If you have a PAP2T, you can program a dial plan to support 7 digit dialing. |
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garys_2k
join:2004-05-07
Farmington, MI
 ·Future Nine Corpor..
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| Oh, I know that -- it's just whether a provider like F9, Callcentric, Vonage would have to change their settings for calls to the PSTN.
For example, F9 supports 7 or 10 digit dialing. If you lived in Chicagoland would they have to do anything differently if routing a call to that area? |
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usa2k
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Canton, MI
clubs: |  I expect providers already send 11 digits no matter what you dial. |
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Mango
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Vancouver, BC | reply to garys_2k
What is the reason for this? Here in Vancouver, with the POTS companies, 10-digit dialing means it's a local call and 11 means it's a toll call. How will people in Chicago know whether a call is local or toll?
m. |
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gbh2o
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| said by Mango  :What is the reason for this? Here in Vancouver, with the POTS companies, 10-digit dialing means it's a local call and 11 means it's a toll call. How will people in Chicago know whether a call is local or toll? m. The 10 digit local call format is pretty standard in most US cities I have experienced with either overlays or multiple local geographically separate area codes. If one dials the leading 1 for a local AC, an intercept will normally notify one that it is not necessary to dial the one. Chicago/Illinois demanding 11 digit dialing will pretty well muck up the works if they require the 1 for local calls; I'm had pressed to conceive of any valid reason for it. |
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PX Eliezer
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| said by gbh2o :The 10 digit local call format is pretty standard in most US cities I have experienced with either overlays or multiple local geographically separate area codes. If one dials the leading 1 for a local AC, an intercept will normally notify one that it is not necessary to dial the one. Chicago/Illinois demanding 11 digit dialing will pretty well muck up the works if they require the 1 for local calls; I'm had pressed to conceive of any valid reason for it. I can't either.
Here in northern and central NJ we have had mandatory 10 digit dialing for several years, likewise in NYC.
There are a boatload of area codes AND many of the new codes are overlays.
If we don't need to use 11 digits in this environment, I wonder why Chicago needs it?
Maybe the extra "1" is the ghost of Al Capone giving everyone the finger? |
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PX Eliezer
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| reply to Mango
said by Mango :What is the reason for this? Here in Vancouver, with the POTS companies, 10-digit dialing means it's a local call and 11 means it's a toll call. How will people in Chicago know whether a call is local or toll? Mango, here in Sopranoland, that's a non-issue.
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How I first got into Voip:
My wife was friendly with a woman who lived just 2 miles away, and still in the same town as us. Same area code, of course. But it was a TOLL CALL!
Further study showed that two parties simply ACROSS THE STREET from each other could constitute a Toll Call for Verizon. Again, no municipal boundary involved, it was still the same town.
On the other hand, my Verizon local calling plan included FREE calls to a town 20 MILES AWAY in a different area code (Hightstown---609).
So Verizon said:
Across the street (same town): Toll Call.
20 miles away, different county, different area code: Free.
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That's how and why I became a Voiper!
And ironically, it was the weekend that SunRocket died! |
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WAVZuser
join:2006-08-19
| reply to garys_2k
The 872 area code is still not activated by my local Vonage carrier (Level3, formerly Focal). If I call the test number 872-872-1872 I get an error message.
When I call it from my Virgin Mobile (Sprint) cell phone, on the other hand, it goes through. |
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PX Eliezer
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New Jersey
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| Works on CallWithUs but not yet on CallCentric.
872 spells USA. Will folks want to grab these numbers? Should encourage acceptance, anyway.
Should be an easier process than when Seinfeld's friend Elaine had to get a 646 when she lost her 212.
Appropriate that the 872/USA area code should be in Chicago, start of America's Main Street, Route 66.
»www.legendsofamerica.com/66-Info.html |
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N9MD
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1 edit | reply to WAVZuser
said by WAVZuser :The 872 area code is still not activated by my local Vonage carrier (Level3, formerly Focal). If I call the test number 872-872-1872 I get an error message. When I call it from my Virgin Mobile (Sprint) cell phone, on the other hand, it goes through. Checking the »www.telcodata.us/telcodata/telco···xchange= and »www.localcallingguide.com/lca_pr···xtdays=0 pages indicates that only a few exchanges in AC872 have been assigned by NANPA thus far ... and none have become active yet.
»www.nanpa.com/nas/public/npa_que···splayNpa
This suggests that most provider's Routing Tables have probably not yet been updated to include these exchanges ... including the 872-872-1872 number.
Assigned with future release date
872-222-xxxx Chicago Zone 03-Kildare Denali Spectrum Eff.Date 11/07/2009
872-201-xxxx Chicago Zone 07-Stewart Verizon Wireless Eff.Date 12/07/2009
Assigned but no release date
872-200-xxxx Ameritech (ATT)
872-213-xxxx Nextel (Sprint)
872-958-xxxx Ameritech (ATT)
872-959-xxxx Ameritech (ATT)
Assigned but no provider shown
872-300-xxxx 872-312-xxxx 872-412-xxxx 872-500-xxxx
872-700-xxxx 872-773-xxxx 872-872-xxxx 872-900-xxxx
872-950-xxxx 872-958-xxxx 872-976-xxxx
Exist but will never be assigned to a provider (Reserved Exchange)
872-211-xxxx 872-311-xxxx 872-511-xxxx 872-611-xxxx
872-711-xxxx 872-811-xxxx 872-911-xxxx
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jay_rm
join:2002-04-12
Netville
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| reply to garys_2k
"Chicago" has been 11 digit dialing for years ! We've got something like 8 area codes in NE Illinois !
Watcha' talkin' about ? ? I must be misunderstanding your post 
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'It looks just like a Telefunken U47 !' |
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PX Eliezer
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| "Until now, the city has been spared 11-digit dialing for local calls. Chicagoans have been able, for instance, to dial just seven digits to call from one number in 312 to another."
»www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1863···.article |
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RockyBB
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Longmont, CO
| reply to WAVZuser
said by WAVZuser :The 872 area code is still not activated by my local Vonage carrier (Level3, formerly Focal). If I call the test number 872-872-1872 I get an error message. When I call it from my Virgin Mobile (Sprint) cell phone, on the other hand, it goes through. do not attribute outgoing calls to the carrier Vonage uses for inbound service to your phone number. If calls to the test number fail, it's Vonage's switches and routing that needs fixing, not necessarily Level 3's. |
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gdm
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| reply to PX Eliezer
The article is a bit misleading. If you were in the same area code 773, 630 or 312 you could dial 7 digits. If you were in a 312 area code and dialed a 773/630 then yes you had to dial 11 digits.
11 digits will still be required for POTS lines. Cell and most VoIP can do 10 digits.
Suburbs have required this for awhile now. |
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burgerwars
join:2004-09-11
Northridge, CA
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·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to garys_2k
I think we're getting near the point where everyone in North America should just dial 10 digits. Save the 1 for something else. 10 digits work from a cellphone, so why not POTS. I agree with the dial plan comment. One can manipulate it in countless ways on a Linksys/Sipura to do just about anything with whatever patterns of digits are entered. |
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SLD
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·Comcast
| In the Houston area, you often don't know if it is 10 or 11. The best part is if you dial 11, you get a message that the extra 1 is not needed. Oh, and they wont' connect you call (gee, thanks!). If you dial 10 when 11 are required, you get a cannot connect message. How hard can it be to strike the extra 1 if they already know you don't need it? |
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nycityny
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| reply to PX Eliezer
said by PX Eliezer :Here in northern and central NJ we have had mandatory 10 digit dialing for several years, likewise in NYC. Uh, here in NYC it's 11-digit dialing:
»www.vzmultimedia.com/customersup···ork.html |
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josephf
join:2009-04-26
·VoicePulse
| said by nycityny :said by PX Eliezer :Here in northern and central NJ we have had mandatory 10 digit dialing for several years, likewise in NYC. Uh, here in NYC it's 11-digit dialing: » www.vzmultimedia.com/customersup···ork.html 10 digit dialing works within the area code, in NYC. |
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nycityny
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| said by josephf :10 digit dialing works within the area code, in NYC. Hmmm...I didn't even know as I have not had a POTS line in 4 years. When I did have one I guess I could have used 10-digit dialing within 212... |
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