jason13086
join:2006-07-19
Edmonds, WA
3 edits | Personal POP in town
I want to create my own 5 GHz link into town and get an internet connection there. However, where would I connect? The only realistic thing I can think of is working out a deal with a private individual to share their connection, however that has a number of obvious downsides.
Are there any other alternatives? I just want a standard residential connection, and also want to pay as such.
Also, is it possible to get the cost lower than a residential connection (or similar cost with higher bandwidth) if you can backhaul to some type of major hub? Probably not realistic but just curious.
Edit: Comcast cable stops about 2000' from my house. They want I think 15k to extend it, which isn't going to happen. If I could get a wireless link to the cable head, would comcast bring a connection out for me? Its just the standard house every couple of acres. If it did happen I'm thinking there would need to be an antenna with a cable modem mounted on a telephone pole. Somehow I think my chances are low to convince them to do that. It took a number of phone calls to even get them to tell me where the cable stopped and which houses had service... |
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delmarvawifi
join:2008-07-15 | And yet another person that wants something for nothing. |
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1 edit | said by jason13086  :...and also want to pay as such. said by delmarvawifi :And yet another person that wants something for nothing. I am trying to reconcile these two statements...
Hmmm...
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If you had access to a tall building, you could have the service installed there and beam it to your location.
You would need a good LOS, though.
Is this in Edmonds, or some place else?
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jason13086
join:2006-07-19
Edmonds, WA
| Unfortunately I moved out of Edmonds just as they were installing fios to a house without anything. It was horrible.
I'm working out the RF details right now for the link, there are a limited number of landing points but I could probably just add another hop to get where I need to be.
My question is about the getting a connection at an office building part. If I just walk up to the building manager, whether it be a hospital, post office, cabinet factory, or whatever and tell them I want to put an antenna on their roof and set up an ethernet connection there so I can have internet, they are probably just going to say no.
If I go to a verizion switching station (or whatever the local data centers are called....I'm not sure how to go about obtaining this information), I'd probably have to put an antenna on their roof, and I have a feeling they wouldn't even consider it unless $ is involved, not just a residential connection. (I suspect this is why the first poster thinks I want something for nothing).
Would the phone company bring down a DSL line at a telephone pole for me? Doubt it. |
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pacmanfan
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You may have better luck if you can shoot to a small business, and order a cheaper business-class DSL or cable service; it shouldn't cost too much more than a residential connection, and the provider would be less likely to frown on the situation if they happened to find out what was going on. Many small businesses are willing to let you place equipment on their property in exchange for free service.
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jason13086
join:2006-07-19
Edmonds, WA | So you are saying find a business that already has internet, take over the payments and split the bandwidth? |
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nevtxjustin
join:2006-04-18
Dallas, TX
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said by jason13086 :If I go to a verizion switching station (or whatever the local data centers are called.... Its called million dollar insurance policy time.
What we do lots of times is offer...
1) Reimburse the biz owner for use of their connection.
2) Put our own connection in and offer something
3) Offer computer repair
4) Offer free internet service
5) Give them an IP camera
Lots of ways you can work out a deal.
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jason13086
join:2006-07-19
Edmonds, WA
| Ok, thanks guys. I'm getting the general idea that internet connection = address = working a deal with someone.
For a small wisp they could share a single connection and split the bandwidth. For a larger wisp, they would get one or more T1 lines installed and probably come up with a contract with the business owner. Is that how it works? |
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delmarvawifi
join:2008-07-15 | reply to John Galt
John,
You missed the key part:
"want a standard residential connection, and also want to pay as such." |
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mogooder
join:2002-11-26
Washougal, WA | reply to jason13086
Why don't you find a WISP in the area to help you obtain service.
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jason13086
join:2006-07-19
Edmonds, WA
| said by delmarvawifi :John, You missed the key part: "want a standard residential connection, and also want to pay as such." Its not like I am reselling bandwidth or running a business.
However, it does bring up a good point I was wanting to ask. Why are T1 lines so obscenely expensive? In general a residential connection has many times the bandwidth at a fraction of the cost. Is it solely because a residential connection generally only uses a very small percentage of available bandwidth?
said by mogooder :Why don't you find a WISP in the area to help you obtain service. Frank Why solicit a wisp when I have you guys? 
Also, I do have a personal and professional interest in wireless technology. I don't have any problems with the wireless part (so far), just simply obtaining a network connection.
So again I ask, is my previous post more or less correct and generally the way things are done? |
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| said by jason13086 :Why solicit a wisp when I have you guys? Because they could sell you a residential connection and you wouldn't have to worry about anything else? |
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Killa200
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said by jason13086 :However, it does bring up a good point I was wanting to ask. Why are T1 lines so obscenely expensive? In general a residential connection has many times the bandwidth at a fraction of the cost. Is it solely because a residential connection generally only uses a very small percentage of available bandwidth? The connection is business grade, meant for business traffic. It comes with a speed guarantee and uptime guarantee, as well as usually coming with line monitoring and pro-active plan of repair for the line. |
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mogooder
join:2002-11-26
Washougal, WA
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There are only 2 types of bandwidth:
Dedicated - like killa200 described and
Shared - Thats every connection that isn't Dedicated.
fyi - The WSFN folks expect shared connections to be dedicated access, and that's the big bandwidth flap.
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maxit
join:2009-02-22
Fort St James, BC | reply to Killa200
Because your residential DSL is grossly underpriced as its subsidized by revenue from business rates, just like your home phone was for decades. |
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Would the phone company bring down a DSL line at a telephone pole for me? Doubt it.
Yes. Only if the pole is on your property or easement. You would not be allowed to attach to the pole itself. You would have to locate your equipment next to the pole.
I'm assuming you do not have contiguous property or easement from your location to the serving pole?
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nevtxjustin
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Dallas, TX
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said by jason13086 :Its not like I am reselling bandwidth or running a business. However, it does bring up a good point I was wanting to ask. Why are T1 lines so obscenely expensive? In general a residential connection has many times the bandwidth at a fraction of the cost. Well, yeah you really are effectively reselling bandwidth regardless of any semantic argument. Nothing wrong with that at all. Though you may run afoul with some TOS agreements/disagreements prohibiting the reselling.
T1 lines, or any other dedicated service is expensive because its dedicated and the cost isn't amortized across many, many users. When you resell a T1 line, you are recovering your cost with many subscribers that would otherwise have to pay the same high cost you would.
As for a guaranteed uptime? Hmmm...all that means you might go to the head of the pairs splicing list when a backhoe digs up a buried telco feeder. You're still going to be done a few hours. |
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Killa200
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Spring City, TN | But with that up time SLA, you'll be reimbursed your downtime for those few hours.... not saying that is worth its weight as far as solving your customer complaints... but its more than you'll get for the dsl / cable package. |
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nevtxjustin
join:2006-04-18
Dallas, TX | True, you'd get reimbursed for about five dollars. Unless the SLA has a steep provision. |
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