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Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala
said by No_Strings  :Few things are more annoying than listening to someone drone on about their favorite thing and how it's better than whatever you have/use. Few things are more rewarding than when said thing blows up in someone's face. Sounds petty to find reward in other's misfortune. Regardless of their previous behavior.
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I installed Karmic last weekend. I basically only had two problems, both of which were fixed after a small amount of research. Since then, smooth sailing. Karmic Koala is slick and fast, a huge improvement over Jaunty, IMHO. And the problems I had after the upgrade were much easier to hunt down and correct than things would be after a Windows upgrade.
I do wish Pulse Audio would just go away, though.
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pablo2525
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said by jdong :However, nothing's more frustrating and discouraging than pouring your heart into something like this for personal pleasure then reading shortsighted media commentary regarding what a vocal minority of the userbase is experiencing. Hi,
In my limited experience with the media, they're in the _business_ to stay afloat: make money. While it's great some try to get it right, it's not necessarily the only reason for reporting.
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I didn't have any of the problems explained in this post. I have never been a fan of performing an in place upgrade of an OS but I did perform one just because I there was so much installed it would have been a nightmare to start over. On 5 other boxes I just wiped and did clean installs.
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Thanks for the support, everyone. As I said, Ubuntu DOES care about fixing bugs, no matter how few users it involves. A release can sit in testing forever and ever, and still not all regressions will be caught until you bless the release and the floodgates open to the masses. That's why we have procedures like the StableReleaseUpdates mechanism to address bugs after release -- and it's definitely being taken advantage of this release cycle to its fullest.
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1 edit | I registered to The Register just to comment on their lame article-only to find out the site holds every post for moderation. How much you want to bet the chicken shits won't post my comment chock full of criticism of them? Just goes to show everyone what kind of outfit they are. Those who take stock in something like that are dumber than I give most people credit for. Keep up the good work, jdong.
Edit: Here was the comment in case they do not post it:
This article is simply sensationalist crap. You guys just seem to keep lowering your standards of what a quality article is. Are you guys secretly Windows 7 fanbois? I have installed this on over 10 systems, most of them before the 30/10/09 release date. Nothing was unfixable, even a month before release on varying hardware. Some had a flawless upgrade. The majority of users report the same. Why do you quiz n00bs about Karmic just to make Windows 7 look better? Wait, I answered my own question! This site has been a good place for information. Please don't lower your standards to this. |
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However, by most reports (other than the infinite reboot issue) Windows 7 seems like a better initial offering than XP was, so some amount of praise is appropriate. Case in point tho... Even MS is plagued by regression issues, and bugs that would never be found until its released "into the wild"
Mac, Windows, Linux, Etc.. You'll find commentary that is scathing about the latest release no matter what.
Hopefully, it won't frighten away too many people.
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Found another problem with my upgrade. Direct rendering is not enabled. Nvidia 8400GS video card. Googling returns that I am not alone.
Interestingly, enabling manual login fixes the issue.
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jdong
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Any time when you go from a handful of testers (hundreds? thousands?) to tends and hundreds of thousands of adopters, they are BOUND to flush out a bunch of issues that you haven't seen before.
And even when software works as designed, the customer might find the new definition of "Design" might be incompatible with their workflow.
My personal philosophy with regards to release management is to release when there's nothing that precludes a successful installation and nothing planned in the pipelines that'd make a rough update for users to apply. Then, all the other kinks can be dealt with as they come along.... It's really important for the user to evaluate each upgrade for themselves and decide if it's for them. That's why Ubuntu supports each release for AT LEAST 18 months (3 more releases), so that you have time to say "Ok, this release doesn't work for me. I'll wait for the next one and stay with my satisfactory current release!"
But then again, I'm not a release manager 
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| There's good news in this. Think back just a few years. Would any of the tech rags have picked up on the latest release of a Linux distro, let alone make comparisons to the boys from Redmond?
Yellow journalism or not, it's nice to be in the papers.
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jdong
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| said by No_Strings :There's good news in this. Think back just a few years. Would any of the tech rags have picked up on the latest release of a Linux distro, let alone make comparisons to the boys from Redmond? Yellow journalism or not, it's nice to be in the papers. * waits patiently for the NY Times to run a story on Slackware That's an extremely good point
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rv65
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My Laptop has 9.10 and the touchpad seems to have a mind of it's own. I have a Dell D610 and it works great when I plug in the mouse. |
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| said by rv65 :My Laptop has 9.10 and the touchpad seems to have a mind of it's own. I have a Dell D610 and it works great when I plug in the mouse. Did this start in 9.10?
There was a patch put in to gate events that are "unreasonable" for human movement, to prevent touchpad instability when using two fingers and lifting one finger up (or rolling a finger side to side)... I've seen this cause some issues on various trackpads with difficulty of movement or uncommanded movement; If this is the case then it should be blacklisted from this "enhancement" through a bug report.
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I only got into Ubuntu 9.04 about a week before 9.10 came out, so I hadn't even become thoroughly familiar with it before upgrading. My 32-bit laptop upgraded with no issues at all.
But 64-bit on my older Athlon64 3200+ had some teething problems, most of which were minor (prompts to file bug reports for critical oops errors that were really unnecessary warnings). But the stumper was trying to get 64-bit flash plugin working, since so many websites use flash. The Ubuntu package was really a 32-bit plugin with a wrapper, that would play the commercial before a news clip, but not the news clip itself. The alpha 64-bit flash worked great on some sites, but apparently flash ads made some sites not work at all because Firefox would turn gray and slow to a crawl, and/or just up and disappear in a flash.
Even going back to 9.04 did not help. It turns out that my older Athlon64 is missing an lahf instruction, but I just found a flashplugin-lahf-fix.so that allows the 64-bit flash plugin to work properly. So now all is well with 9.04 or 9.10. |
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munky99999
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I saw this garbage on slashdot also. So much fail here.
First of all. When they say Early Adopters. They are speaking about BETA TESTERS. OH MY GOD BETA TESTERS WITH BUGS SAY IT AINT SO!
Furthermore it was pretty much right across the board. Equal amounts of people with no issues then those with minor issues then those with big issues.
Moreover. It's called the bleeding edge for a reason. It's ahead of the cutting edge being cut and bloodied. If those BETA TESTERS are having bugs... tell them to stop upgrading at the bleeding edge.
Finally. If you goto the article. It's literally speaking about specific people who are having problems. graydo64 posted: Motoh wrote w00ly wrote
I'm sorry but anonymous posting of anecdotal problems doesnt stand up for much. Thats with the blatant acknowledgment of lots of known issues in the operating system.
Of all my machines. The only 1 to have issues has been my crackbook which had loads of customized apps which didnt take to the upgrade so well. Which took me all of 30mins to fix. Other then that... the several papercut bugs that I only noticed were bugs until after they got fixed... was very nice to see fixed. |
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| said by munky99999 :Finally. If you goto the article. It's literally speaking about specific people who are having problems. graydo64 posted: Motoh wrote w00ly wrote But if someone says so it must be true...  and that w00ly guy can't be trusted.
Ubuntu is an big target, there's a large group that hates anything that is easy and it doesn't get much easier than Ubuntu. There's no doubt organized mobs out just to trash Ubuntu like there are to trash various other things around the internet. There's probably some linux astroturfing group protecting the civil rights of those that are threatened by Ubuntu socializing their everyday life. 
Too much phoney news about everything these days. Jon Stewart could give a better review of Ubuntu 9.10 than most of the clowns that are supposed to know. Too many people believing the crap that is passed as news too which is kind of sad considering tech news has become a source of entertainment. Advertising dominated quality content for the masses. Welcome to today.
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SilentMan
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I installed Ubuntu on my Dell Inspiron 1150 laptop (don't laugh, please ) The installation went without a hitch; it found all the hardware and for the wireless mini pci, it just downloaded the needed driver.
For eye candy, Ubuntu puts Windows 7 to shame.
Ubuntu rocks!
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said by Cabal : quote:
Ubuntu 9.10 is causing outrage and frustration, with early adopters wishing they'd stuck with previous versions of the Linux distro.
Blank and flickering screens, failure to recognize hard drives, defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel, and failure to get encryption running are taking their toll, as early adopters turn to the web for answers and log fresh bug reports in Ubuntu forums.
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They're in good company, as more than a fifth of people upgrading to Ubuntu 9.10 have reported issues they can't fix, according to an Ubuntuforums.org poll here. Only around 10 per cent of those upgrading or installing reported a completely flawless experience.
Overall, those installing Ubuntu 9.10 on a clean machine are having a slightly easier time than those making the upgrade. Users installing Ubuntu 9.10 were able to solve more of the niggling problems than those trying to upgrade from an older version.
Ouch. More than a fifth of the people?Only around 10% The M$ shill probably visited a single forum on some windows site .Most of the gloom and doom reviews have been extremely humorous when you consider the source of same. The majority of problems I have seen,or heard about seem to be occurring to relative new comers to the world of Linux,trying to upgrade without properly preparing for it.Posting this from an upgrade from 9.1 to 10.04 Development release.Cruising along famously! |
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I think they were talking about the first installers of the final version, as the article was written several days after release. They would face harder backlash if they were actually dumb enough to grade Karmic on the beta, even though their stupidity comes close. I would expect such an online magazine to be an M$ shill. That is yet another convention that needs to change. Maybe in time, hopefully. |
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