KoolMoe
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| reply to drew
Re: Job Searching...
Most all job sites I've seen have a 'search agent' feature that sends you jobs that match your keywords daily, weekly, etc. That should certainly help...
I'm keeping my eye for the perfect job in education through this site:
»www.higheredjobs.com/default.cfm
just another potential resource to try. Lots of colleges there but not sure I've seen many IT positions, but then again my 'search agent' is looking for those terms.
G'luck!
KM
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drew
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| reply to drew
Spent a little bit of time on the USAJobs site and it's is better than the OSN site. However, every job in the IT field is a GS-2210 09-14 job. Looking at the GS-2210 guidelines I'm not qualified due to lack of a degree.
The GS-2210 is an "IT Management" classification hence the requirements are going to be higher. There aren't any non GS-2210 positions available it would appear. I should be looking for something in the 0332 or 0335 classifications. Feel free to read more here if you're interested.
When searching last night, I found what appeared to be one or two 0332/35 jobs, however they were seemingly "reserved" for special qualification groups (such as spouses of relocating current federal employees and the like). Or I could be misunderstanding. When logged in with my profile with my information about qualifications, those jobs don't even appear.
My dad's a civilian worker in the shipyard, so I'll probably end up asking him one of these days to help me make sure I'm reading this all correctly.
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aztecnology
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Murrieta, CA | A lot of the IT gov jobs in SoCal that I would like to apply for have "national guard" reservations...
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drew
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ja2007123
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| reply to drew
Re: Job Searching...
The only positions listed on craiglist are Work at home scamming people or doing weird stuff.
Also the personality tests are a pain in the ass. I tried to apply for a job at the many retail stores and I failed every single test.
I dont see how these creepy guys at Best Buy or kroger got their jobs..... |
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SLD
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| reply to drew
said by drew  :I think my best bet is "networking" but at the young age of 22, my network is very, very small. Any advice guys? »www.meetup.com/ |
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maartena
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| reply to drew
said by drew :Any advice guys? Can't help you with what is available in your area..... but can help you with tips on how to get a job:
1) Always follow up an application with a PHONE CALL, but give them at least 3 work days..... You don't want to call next morning, as they may not have worked through their email yet. You don't want to call a week later, as some other dude may have called twice already, and he left an impression with the staff. Call after 3 days. Sometimes you don't get to talk with anyone, but ask the receptionist to email HR with your name and phone number. At the very least then HR knows you tried. If you can't get through and you have an email address of HR, email them within the hour and inform them you had tried to call but couldn't get through, you understand busy schedules, and what not.
2) In some cases, a visit in person may also be a good idea but keep in mind that most companies' HR staff doesn't have time for "walk ins". Nevertheless, if you can leave the impression that you REALLY want the job, you might get a better chance on getting an interview. Don't leave without leaving something behind that can be delivered to HR, such as a small note, with a hard-copy of your resume.
3) When you get an interview, prepare questions. Nothing is more dissapointing to a company if they ask if you have questions and then they have none. Ask some technical questions that have to do with the job, such as "what email platform do you use", and if the answer is say.... Exchange 2003 followup with "does the company have plans to upgrade it to Exchange 2007", and if yes, tell them how you could be of value there. That, of course, is just an example, but you get the drill.
4) If you had an interview, follow up with a Thank You note immediately. Mail it the same day if you can (so go buy a stack of 10 or 20 at your local store, along with current stamps), and even better would be to hand-deliver it to the front desk and ask to have it delivered to HR.
5) Follow up with an email 2 days later, (3 if you think USPS really sucks in that area), and just say something along the lines of "hope you got my note ok, please contact me at this phone number for questions" etc. You know how to write it up properly I take it. THIS would also be a good time to give your CELL PHONE #, if that is not the phone number in your resume. Now they have multiple means of contacting you.
In general, a job applied for on the internet without further followup is a job lost. Most ads on tech job sites come AT LEAST with the company name and city you will be working, so you can do your own research, find the company website, find the "contact us" area or the "employment opportunities" area, and find out if there is an hr@company.com email somewhere. Don't just assume that they will pick you after a online job application, they WILL PICK the ones that follow up, talk to the company, and keep themselves in their minds, even though their qualifications might be SLIGHTLY less then yours......
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maartena
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| reply to drew
said by drew :I really mean literally. There was no opportunity for me to even introduce myself. The "manager" looked at me and said "we don't do any hiring, it's all online. go there." and walked away on more than one occassion. There are plenty of companies that want to see you do an online application, and with good reason.
The trick is not to show up before you do the online application, but to follow up AFTER the online application.
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ElJay
join:2004-03-17
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| reply to drew
I don't think door-to-door works too well in this day and age. I work in a small branch office of a megacorp and we get walk-ins from time to time. We basically have no choice but to point them at the website. If the boss man isn't busy he will talk to the person for a few minutes (we're almost always looking for sales staff) but I have not seen anybody hired this way.
We've had people try to "follow up" on submitting their resume in person. I agree with the earlier posters that you should follow up on interviews with a thank you, but I'm not sure about the usefulness of doing it on a simple resume submission. In my situation it just annoys the shit out of us (again, it's a small office and we don't have a receptionist to deal with this crap) and the person they would want to make an impression on isn't likely to be available anyway. In fact a few job seekers were so obnoxious or pushy in this regard that it got to the boss and they were not considered for an interview.
said by drew :The US government has absolutely no idea how to realistically and efficiently find qualified candidates. Specifically, the US Navy civilian department in this case. I live near a few military installations and one in particular is mostly civilian and I figured there has to be a sizable IT infrastructure needing to be maintained. I'm pretty sure the problem is, as mentioned earlier, that most government jobs are outsourced. USAJOBS emails me weekly about GS 2210 jobs and it's mostly useless because there are indeed very few jobs posted, and most of those are GS-13/14 manager slots. |
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hortnut
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| reply to drew
I quickly scanned the answers to date and I know where Port Orchard is = Seattle is about a 1 hour Ferry ride away, correct?
My folks live South of you on Key Peninsula. And my old stomping grounds were the Puyallup Valley.
I do not think anyone has mentioned Informational Interviews? I have gotten a number of good jobs and leads in the past. Just Google the terms and you will come up with some good stuff.
I had to work them like a detective - finding a key person to talk to, get their number, make an appointment and fire away with questions. One should be - "Can you give me names of anyone else I should talk to in this Industry or another, given my experience and skill sets?" You start to build a network and the next contact is easier, as you are using someone else's name to open the door to get the next Informational Interview.
I have used trade mags, newspapers, state corporation records, etc. to initially find key people to talk to. Even when that person said they would not be the person to talk to, it is best to ask if there is anyone else in the company that would be helpful. I have found that people like to talk about themselves and if they like their job, even more so. »seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/
hth and good luck
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Matt
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Jamestown, NC | reply to drew
My brother works for the Navy, do you want me to put you in touch with him? He can help you sort through all that crap. |
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drew
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drew
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Thanks for the information. |
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cmaenginsb
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| reply to Rob
said by Rob :I don't care what anyone says, the U.S. Government has no idea how to realistically and efficiently find qualified candidates. First of all, every branch and department of our government has their own website where you can apply for. That means that you have to create a username/password for each website. Then you have to create/upload a resume at that specific website. USAJobs.gov does an excellent job of compiling the different openings, but that's here the 'excellent job' ends. What the government needs to do is create one website that allows everyone to apply for jobs using 1 username and 1 password. Then after you apply, your information is forwarded to the recruiting officer. P.S. I have applied to about 20 different government jobs in the last 3 months - ALL of them are still 'under review' except for 1 which finally scheduled an interview. I agree that once you actually find a job you're interested in it can be a PITA but it's at least easier to find them than it was a few years ago. I doubt you'll ever get a single system for all hiring, heck DOD can't even get a single system for 3 branches of service purchasing.
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cmaenginsb
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| reply to nixen
said by nixen :said by cmaenginsb :Something to understand though is that a lot of the civilian IT support for military bases is by contractors like Unisys. In many cases you'll need TS clearance to apply though as they don't want to pay for the background checks required for clearance. Most (all) of the cost associated with the clearance process is born by the agency requiring the clearance. The real cost to the hiring company is paying you to sit on the bench for the process can complete. Depending on your background, where your adjudication is processed through, who is doing the adjudication (some agencies have a LOT more pull than others) and any particular world events that are going on, the process can take anywhere from a few weeks (mostly just upgrades) to 1-2 years. That's a lot of time to pay someone to just sit around being useless. If that isn't paying for the background checks, I don't know what is. 
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cmaenginsb
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| reply to drew
said by drew :That's my favorite part... If you already work for us, come apply. Everyone else? Bug off. I did my CCNA bootcamp with 3 ex-coast guard electronic techs. They retired and were rehired as contractors doing the exact same job making more money plus their retirement pay.
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drew
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| My dad was hired by PSNS to do the same job he was doing as a Senior Chief (though he had been granted the Master Chief rank, but no pay effective...) for 50% more and got his navy retirement and 30% disability. Sweet gig really.
3 people laid off today...
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Matt
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