timcuth
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Re: Why would people reccomend a magnum round for defense?
I have heard knowledgeable people recommend .357 Magnum for home defense. However, I am more in agreement with your reasoning and, along the same lines, I would look more to a .45 ACP or even a sawed off shotgun (where not strictly illegal). What you need for home defense is stopping power, not high velocity.
Simple and old fashioned, but effective.
Tim
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Wills
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said by DarkSithPro  :I see all these people who give shoddy advice to new gun users, recommending a .357 magnum for home defense? Are they friken crazy? A supersonic magnum round in a closed environment, which will over penetrate, not to mention the horrendous kick, defining blast, and which would be uncontrollable while firing at a fast rate! Do these people who recommend a .357 for home defense even own a gun? A simple 9mm, .40, or even a .38 is more than enough for home defense!!! Police departments not using .357 Magnum anymore has nothing to do with liability. It has much more to do with .357 Magnum being a revolver round and limited capacity and their move to semi-auto pistols with more capacity than liability.
In fact, many of the detectives I used to work with used .357 Magnum revolvers as backup guns.
Over-penetrate? Not with the proper round.
Uncontrollable? Again, depends on the shooter. Maybe someone with girly wrists can't control it, but others may not. I occasionally carry a 2" .357 Magnum and I'm quite proficient with it. I've never shot .38 Spl out of it, but I let the girlfriend shoot it with .38.
And your comment about taking a .50 BMG deer hunting just goes to show that you think it should all be done your way to be right. Many people hunt deer with .50 BMG. They hunt from great distances. Long distance hunting is becoming very popular. They use popular sniping calibers, .50 BMG, Lapua, just to name a few (damn it I want a Lapua...)
Just because you don't do it doesn't make it automatically wrong.
Personally, I use my Springfield XD in .45 GAP for home defense. Accurate, reliable, easy to use, and can see if it's locked and loaded with a simple touch (it always is). For carry I switch between a full-size 1911, a Bersa .380, and the 2" .357 depending on attire. I don't particularly like the .380 round, but it's nice to carry something small and light when I'm in shorts and a tank tap.
My recommendation for what you should carry will always be the same. Carry what you can shoot proficiently. If all you can shoot and shoot well is a .22 then carry a .22. A hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .45.
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Locutus65
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I have a .22 revolver with a 9" barrel. Holds 9 rounds in the cylinder. It's not that I wouldn't like to have something bigger but it's just not in my budget.
However, I am a good enough shot with that .22 that, unless the thug is wearing fully enclosed headgear, I'll take him down. Or if needed just kneecap him and wait for the police 
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I like something that can drop a bear.
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Locutus65
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| said by horsemouth :I like something that can drop a bear. (youtube clip) Oh man, now I'm drooling! I'd love to shoot that thing! Biggest pistol I've ever shot is a 44 mag.
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Hollow
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said by DarkSithPro :I see all these people who give shoddy advice to new gun users, recommending a .357 magnum for home defense? Are they friken crazy? A supersonic magnum round in a closed environment, which will over penetrate, not to mention the horrendous kick, defining blast, and which would be uncontrollable while firing at a fast rate! Do these people who recommend a .357 for home defense even own a gun? A simple 9mm, .40, or even a .38 is more than enough for home defense!!! You are a Sith Lord? Why do you need a gun in the first place? |
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tim_k
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said by horsemouth :I like something that can drop a bear. That pea shooter? »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.500_S%26W_Magnum  |
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said by Wills :Many people hunt deer with .50 BMG. They hunt from great distances. Long distance hunting is becoming very popular. They use popular sniping calibers, .50 BMG, Lapua, just to name a few (damn it I want a Lapua...) You can take down a target at ranges up to a mile with a .50 round. Must make for quite a hike if you make a kill. |
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Axekick
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First off a .40 is more powerful than a .357 so why would you recommend it?
edit: the .40 is NOT more powerful than a .357 but very close to being as powerful.
If you are relying on a pistol for home defense you need a 'man stopper' and not something that will piss off some drug induced zombie. The .357 and .40 have nearly identical one shot stops the last time I read any research on them.
Police do use .357 and .40's both, the .40 being more common because it is designed for automatics. Our local sheriff's department and highway department both carried .357's before the .40 became common and it was not unique to my area.
Every round you mentioned will over-penetrate if by over penetrate you are referring to the round passing through their body and continuing in motion.
I own four guns and the one I keep for home protection is a 12 gauge pump. Prior to purchasing this shotgun the pistol I kept for home protection was a Smith & Wesson 686, .357 magnum. |
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timcuth
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|  said by Axekick : Prior to purchasing this shotgun the pistol I kept for home protection was a Smith & Wesson 686, .357 magnum. I have one of those. I love it!
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nonymous
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said by Axekick :First off a .40 is more powerful than a .357 so why would you recommend it? edit: the .40 is NOT more powerful than a .357 but very close to being as powerful. If you are relying on a pistol for home defense you need a 'man stopper' and not something that will piss off some drug induced zombie. The .357 and .40 have nearly identical one shot stops the last time I read any research on them. Police do use .357 and .40's both, the .40 being more common because it is designed for automatics. Our local sheriff's department and highway department both carried .357's before the .40 became common and it was not unique to my area. Every round you mentioned will over-penetrate if by over penetrate you are referring to the round passing through their body and continuing in motion. I own four guns and the one I keep for home protection is a 12 gauge pump. Prior to purchasing this shotgun the pistol I kept for home protection was a Smith & Wesson 686, .357 magnum. Where do you live where all burglars are drug crazed zombies wearing the latest body armor?
Thru out the thread I keep hearing gang banger wearing body armor and drug crazed zombies by more than a few posters. I think it is time for some people to move.
I say a hand gun is fine for self defense. Just I hardly see a fully body armored gang member or totally drug crazed zombie as my most likely threats. If they where I would move.
Yes people doing drugs do steal but they are still not always drug crazed 24/7. If I had packs of roving gang members in my neighborhood I would move. I am not gate guarded and do not live in the best area of town. Still I do not have gang members selling drugs on every corner wearing military outfits packing the latest and greatest weapons.
So does anyone here have a sniper weapon and can not wait for the rioting so they can sit on their roofs and pick people off way down the block? |
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Tuxified
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| said by nonymous :Where do you live where all burglars are drug crazed zombies wearing the latest body armor? Thru out the thread I keep hearing gang banger wearing body armor and drug crazed zombies by more than a few posters. I think it is time for some people to move. I say a hand gun is fine for self defense. Just I hardly see a fully body armored gang member or totally drug crazed zombie as my most likely threats. If they where I would move. Yes people doing drugs do steal but they are still not always drug crazed 24/7. If I had packs of roving gang members in my neighborhood I would move. I am not gate guarded and do not live in the best area of town. Still I do not have gang members selling drugs on every corner wearing military outfits packing the latest and greatest weapons. A wise person will prepare for the worst while hoping for the best.
In situations where unknown factors may be encountered and staying alive is the desirable outcome....it's always better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
wouldn't you agree?
Moving or relocating will not necessarily solve the dilemma since violent crime is not constrained to any definable area.
There is literally no safe place to go.
said by nonymous :So does anyone here have a sniper weapon and can not wait for the rioting so they can sit on their roofs and pick people off way down the block? My roof is much too steep for employing such a foolish suggestion.
So no, speaking for myself only, I'm not planning on doing that.
BTW, what constitutes a "sniper weapon"?
I have several neighbors who use what are commonly referred to as "sniper weapons" to hunt deer every year.
That same "sniper weapon" would not be my first choice in a typical home defense scenario,....but if it were the only firearm within reach it would certainly be capable of dispatching a thug whether adorned by body armor or not. (long or short range)
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Axekick
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said by nonymous :said by Axekick :First off a .40 is more powerful than a .357 so why would you recommend it? edit: the .40 is NOT more powerful than a .357 but very close to being as powerful. If you are relying on a pistol for home defense you need a 'man stopper' and not something that will piss off some drug induced zombie. The .357 and .40 have nearly identical one shot stops the last time I read any research on them. Police do use .357 and .40's both, the .40 being more common because it is designed for automatics. Our local sheriff's department and highway department both carried .357's before the .40 became common and it was not unique to my area. Every round you mentioned will over-penetrate if by over penetrate you are referring to the round passing through their body and continuing in motion. I own four guns and the one I keep for home protection is a 12 gauge pump. Prior to purchasing this shotgun the pistol I kept for home protection was a Smith & Wesson 686, .357 magnum. Where do you live where all burglars are drug crazed zombies wearing the latest body armor? Thru out the thread I keep hearing gang banger wearing body armor and drug crazed zombies by more than a few posters. I think it is time for some people to move. I say a hand gun is fine for self defense. Just I hardly see a fully body armored gang member or totally drug crazed zombie as my most likely threats. If they where I would move. Yes people doing drugs do steal but they are still not always drug crazed 24/7. If I had packs of roving gang members in my neighborhood I would move. I am not gate guarded and do not live in the best area of town. Still I do not have gang members selling drugs on every corner wearing military outfits packing the latest and greatest weapons. So does anyone here have a sniper weapon and can not wait for the rioting so they can sit on their roofs and pick people off way down the block? This is the second incoherent reply you have made to me since I logged in.
Where did I make any mention of body armor? (Read the very text you quoted and you will see it does not exist)
I live in St. Louis.
The remainder of what you have typed is a gross exaggeration of what you perceive my environment to be. St. Louis is ranked #1 in violent crime in the United States but the details you added are not consistent with my post. |
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Xstar_Lumini
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Don't get fooled by the hype people, all these .357 mags and .44's are useless and extremely inaccurate, would you like to confront an intruder who's carrying a 17-round 9mm with your 6-shot .357 revolver?
What's the use of these things having a great stopping/penetrating power if you can't hit the target because they kick/recoil too much? Buy a 9mm and simply pump more bullets into the subject, he will drop fast. |
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dvd536
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| said by Xstar_Lumini :Don't get fooled by the hype people, all these .357 mags and .44's are useless and extremely inaccurate, would you like to confront an intruder who's carrying a 17-round 9mm with your 6-shot .357 revolver? What's the use of these things having a great stopping/penetrating power if you can't hit the target because they kick/recoil too much? Buy a 9mm and simply pump more bullets into the subject, he will drop fast. You can't hit anything with a 17 shot 9mm that is jammed!
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lagged
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Narberth, PA | reply to Xstar_Lumini
A big 6" revolver doesn't kick that much that its uncontrollable. If I'm up against one threat, 6 rounds is ok. One could ask what's the point of a weak 9mm?
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said by Xstar_Lumini :Don't get fooled by the hype people, all these .357 mags and .44's are useless and extremely inaccurate, would you like to confront an intruder who's carrying a 17-round 9mm with your 6-shot .357 revolver? What's the use of these things having a great stopping/penetrating power if you can't hit the target because they kick/recoil too much? Buy a 9mm and simply pump more bullets into the subject, he will drop fast. The ones I've owned were controllable and accurate even with full power loadings.
I'd suggest the inaccuracy and controllability issues are generally the fault of the shooter, not the firearms or the ammunition.
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tim_k
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said by Xstar_Lumini :Don't get fooled by the hype people, all these .357 mags and .44's are useless and extremely inaccurate, Ah yes, a real firearms expert here 
In your home, how far away could the intruder possibly be? Accuracy of .357 vs 9mm is not going to be an issue. The hard part is bringing the sights on target. I'd wager that in almost all home invasion firefights, only a couple rounds are fired before the fight is over, six is plenty for the vast majority of situations.
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