DarkSithPro
join:2005-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA
| Why would people reccomend a magnum round for defense?
I see all these people who give shoddy advice to new gun users, recommending a .357 magnum for home defense? Are they friken crazy? A supersonic magnum round in a closed environment, which will over penetrate, not to mention the horrendous kick, defining blast, and which would be uncontrollable while firing at a fast rate! Do these people who recommend a .357 for home defense even own a gun? A simple 9mm, .40, or even a .38 is more than enough for home defense!!! |
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Tuxified
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| said by DarkSithPro  :I see all these people who give shoddy advice to new gun users, recommending a .357 magnum for home defense? Are they friken crazy? A supersonic magnum round in a closed environment, which will over penetrate, not to mention the horrendous kick, defining blast, and which would be uncontrollable while firing at a fast rate! Do these people who recommend a .357 for home defense even own a gun? A simple 9mm, .40, or even a .38 is more than enough for home defense!!! Just because you personally think a particular caliber/firearm type is wrong for a given situation does not necessarily make it so for all concerned.
Besides, there is always the option to ignore such "shoddy" advice is there not?
A real pity that more don't choose to exercise that option.
FWIW, I encourage people to do their own research and make up their own minds based on their individual situations rather than listen to the ramblings of a bunch of self-appointed Internet "experts" and know-it-alls.
Just remember that "Internet advice" is totally free...and it's usually worth exactly what you paid for it...Nothing.
In other words, if one wants sound firearm advice, one would be better served to log off the computer and consult some real-world people with verifiable credentials,...or at the very least make sure the credentials of their Internet sources are real and not fabricated.
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DarkSithPro
join:2005-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA
| said by Tuxified :said by DarkSithPro :I see all these people who give shoddy advice to new gun users, recommending a .357 magnum for home defense? Are they friken crazy? A supersonic magnum round in a closed environment, which will over penetrate, not to mention the horrendous kick, defining blast, and which would be uncontrollable while firing at a fast rate! Do these people who recommend a .357 for home defense even own a gun? A simple 9mm, .40, or even a .38 is more than enough for home defense!!! Just because you personally think a particular caliber/firearm type is wrong for a given situation does not necessarily make it so for all concerned. Besides, there is always the option to ignore such "shoddy" advice is there not? A real pity that more don't choose to exercise that option. FWIW, I encourage people to do their own research and make up their own minds based on their individual situations rather than listen to the ramblings of a bunch of self-appointed Internet "experts" and know-it-alls. Just remember that "Internet advice" is totally free...and it's usually worth exactly what you paid for it...Nothing. In other words, if one wants sound firearm advice, one would be better served to log off the computer and consult some real-world people with verifiable credentials,...or at the very least make sure the credentials of their Internet sources are real and not fabricated. That argument makes no practical sense at all. How may police Departments do you see carrying around .357 magnums? None right? Maybe due to liability issues? Yea, no shi* Do you take a .50 BMG to go deer hunting? No you don't. It's simply absurd to use such a high powered round for the application. |
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Tuxified
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Sometimes I wonder why I even bother... |
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DarkSithPro
join:2005-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA
| said by Tuxified :Sometimes I wonder why I even bother... Well... Can you give me a practical scenario where your average Joe would actually need a magnum round for self defense? When Police, who patrol our streets at night don't use them, why would a family need it? |
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lagged
join:2001-10-30
Narberth, PA
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357 mag stopping power is around a good 45 acp load. Maybe some advantage to the 357, but you need to rely more on expansion.
357 isn't bad out of a big revolver, like a 5" or 6". It's not like it's a super duper impregnate women 5 lanes down round.
I really don't have faith in 9mm, 38, and maybe even 40 for home defense. Why limit myself to a small round where gun size doesn't matter? I use a 45 or 556 for home defense, depending on where I am.
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DarkSithPro
join:2005-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA
| said by lagged :357 mag stopping power is around a good 45 acp load. Maybe some advantage to the 357, but you need to rely more on expansion. 357 isn't bad out of a big revolver, like a 5" or 6". It's not like it's a super duper impregnate women 5 lanes down round. I really don't have faith in 9mm, 38, and maybe even 40 for home defense. Why limit myself to a small round where gun size doesn't matter? I use a 45 or 556 for home defense, depending on where I am. Uhhh, ever heard of over penetration? A 5.56/.223 round travels at roughly 3,000 feet per second. How many walls in your house do you think that will go though, not to mention your neighbors walls? Also a .45 acp travels at subsonic speeds, usually at about 800 feet per second. A .357 round travels at about 1,400 feet per second, which is supersonic causing about 650 ft-lb of energy vs the .45 which is about 450-500 ft-b of energy. Big difference. |
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SirMeowmix_I
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It's premature to think everyone lives in a apartment/suburban environment. It's also asinine to assert that 9MM penetrates *less* than than the other rounds, especially .357 Magnum. Please do some research before starting a rant. |
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DarkSithPro
join:2005-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA
| said by SirMeowmix_I :
It's premature to think everyone lives in a apartment/suburban environment. It's also asinine to assert that 9MM penetrates *less* than than the other rounds, especially .357 Magnum. Please do some research before starting a rant.
That's what hollow points are for. They mushroom, which results in less penetration but when you have a magnum round going 1,400-600 feet per second that's absurd. The .357 sig is another that tends to over penetrate. |
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lagged
join:2001-10-30
Narberth, PA
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Well lets do a little research before we assume penetration results.
»how-i-did-it.org/drywall/results.html
556 does not penetrate dry wall very well. It tumbles after the first sheet and once it starts to tumble it doesn't go very far. This is what I use at my primary residence as it is semi rural.
I also have an duplex, and when there my 45 is my go to gun. It's only 15 feet between me and the next house, I don't trust anything to be "safe" for that situation, but if it's the choice between my death or a calculated risk, guess which one it is?
As for 357, it is a quick round, but clog a hollow point up with denim, and all it makes is a little hole. Not my choice for stopping a meth head, but I understand why some people choose it. I wouldn't feel undergunned with it at all. Look at energy transferred to the target, and 45 ACP is pretty close. It's much slower but about twice as heavy.
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DarkSithPro
join:2005-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA
| looks like 5.56 would be devastating to homes according to military tests...
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=lprGoEpDXJQ |
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lagged
join:2001-10-30
Narberth, PA | If 2 walls is considered devastating...
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DarkSithPro
join:2005-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA
| said by lagged :If 2 walls is considered devastating... You must have missed the part where the rounds went through the walls, a metal cabinet, and a manikin with flack vest. |
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mr_slick
join:2003-05-22
Lynnwood, WA | reply to DarkSithPro
WTF?
Is this a packin' board? Perhaps we DO need a separate forum page for defense, guns, etc.?!? |
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beerbum
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Re: Why would people reccomend a magnum round for defense?
said by DarkSithPro :said by Tuxified :Sometimes I wonder why I even bother... Well... Can you give me a practical scenario where your average Joe would actually need a magnum round for self defense? When Police, who patrol our streets at night don't use them, why would a family need it? well for one, it is popular for the 'gangsta' thugs around here to wear bullet vests..
using a .22 or .32 against someone wearing a vest would be all but useless, I'd want something with a bit more firepower but then again I am the owner of one of these:
Colt Python .357 Magnum
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DarkSithPro
join:2005-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA
| said by beerbum :said by DarkSithPro :said by Tuxified :Sometimes I wonder why I even bother... Well... Can you give me a practical scenario where your average Joe would actually need a magnum round for self defense? When Police, who patrol our streets at night don't use them, why would a family need it? well for one, it is popular for the 'gangsta' thugs around here to wear bullet vests.. using a .22 or .32 against someone wearing a vest would be all but useless, I'd want something with a bit more firepower but then again I am the owner of one of these: [att=1] May I say what a beautiful gun you've got there:) |
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tim_k
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Depends on the bullet type. I watched a test of a 30/06 frangible round. That thing broke up and spread out almost on impact. I don't believe it penetrated more than 10". I use Glaser Blue Safety Slugs in my .357. If I decide to go with a more conventional JHP, I'll step down to .38. If you look here »ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defen···ndex.htm a 9mm can easily penetrate further than .223 (5.56 mm).
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Snakeoil
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Firarms so over rated for home defense. Give me a chuck Norris Ninja any day. Anyone breaks in, he'd ninja their ass before they can blink.
failing that, I'd take a guard goose. Those sucks pack a nasty chomp and can hit the twig and berries spot on.
Even failing that, a few pet skunks might work too.
See firearms over rated...
Though the best defense is a good offense..
Toss poo bombs.. thats right.. save up the dog poo and people poo.. toss them..
The home invader would be so grossed out, he'll run away screaming.
For those less enlightened the above is a satire. I have no idea what round is best for home defense, no what weapon. IMO, It takes training, and lots of it, and researching, then making the choice that best fits your needs and abilities. To often people buy a weapon, put it under their pillow, then kill someone other then a robber, because they failed to get proper training, and maintain that training. Police and military spend thousands of hours on weapons training. When I went thru boot camp in the army, we went to went to the range two weeks straight. Consider that boot was only 8 weeks long.
Home owners that own firearms should also be required to spend that many hours on the range. Practice firing in all light conditions, be put in a high stress environment and fire as well. Just so they have a small idea of how they will react when the shit really hits the fan. It's easy to say you'll drop the hammer on someone and end their life, but can you really do it? Few know until the time comes, then that moment of hesitancy can get them or a loved one killed.
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dvd536
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said by DarkSithPro :I see all these people who give shoddy advice to new gun users, recommending a .357 magnum for home defense? Are they friken crazy? A supersonic magnum round in a closed environment, which will over penetrate, not to mention the horrendous kick, defining blast, and which would be uncontrollable while firing at a fast rate! Do these people who recommend a .357 for home defense even own a gun? A simple 9mm, .40, or even a .38 is more than enough for home defense!!! 38 revolver is my home defense gun.
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CloseQuarter
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I'll just stick with the 12 gauge and buckshot... |
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