Mustafa
join:2006-10-04
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Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast...
said by netwerk007  :..... Perhaps their non-union employees should take a pay cut and pass those savings onto the consumer? Maybe they should centralize their contact centres? Have call centre people work for home even. That would work for people with families. Just some ideas. You forgot one. How about there execs refuse there extravagant bonuses! |
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jimbojonesBC
join:2009-11-07
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Canada's internet sucks compared to Korea's or Norways- if they don't fix up their act Canada's economy is going to get hurt bad.
People aren't stupid. Shitty infrastructure means people don't move here, they move to other superior places.
Get your act together, shaw. |
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netwerk007
join:2009-08-09 |
I really doubt people move to a country based on the type of internet. |
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netwerk007
join:2009-08-09
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said by Mustafa :said by netwerk007 :..... Perhaps their non-union employees should take a pay cut and pass those savings onto the consumer? Maybe they should centralize their contact centres? Have call centre people work for home even. That would work for people with families. Just some ideas. You forgot one. How about there execs refuse there extravagant bonuses! No you need the huge bonuses. How else will we have cigar smoking fatcats |
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jimbojonesBC
join:2009-11-07
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said by netwerk007 :I really doubt people move to a country based on the type of internet. Well, let's see. Where would you rather live? Norway or Canada? I'd rather live in Norway, personally. |
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atnozm
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join:2006-02-03
Schenectady, NY | reply to netwerk007
Employees take thousands of dollars a year worth of pay cuts in order for you to save a couple bucks a month on your bill...... that sounds fair. |
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Anonimuz
join:2008-12-08
canada
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said by jimbojonesBC :said by netwerk007 :I really doubt people move to a country based on the type of internet. Well, let's see. Where would you rather live? Norway or Canada? I'd rather live in Norway, personally. Then what it stopping you from moving there? I'm sure all the money you will save on your internet bill will cover all other costs of moving and living. Let us know how you make out. |
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Mustafa
join:2006-10-04
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said by netwerk007 :No you need the huge bonuses. How else will we have cigar smoking fatcats Yes how could I have forgotten?
The justification for excess compensation to the fat turds is supposedly so they could entice only the best and brightest. Given the current state of the economy under these so called elite individuals I’d have to say it’s not working. None of the so called geniuses seen the massive financial downfall coming or they were to busy stuffing there already overflowing pockets.
Any cost cutting measures should start at the top a leader leads by example. They could probably cut our bills by ten percent if the execs refused bonus compensation or at least reduced it to a reasonable level.
said by jimbojonesBC :Well, let's see. Where would you rather live? Norway or Canada? I'd rather live in Norway, personally. If your making life choices based on internet you really need to get out more. |
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AnonShawUser
join:2006-06-17
Calgary, AB
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Oh, but it's completely fair that the employees should take a paycut! I mean, really, with such a large portion of them being in Calgary for example, where it could cost them 1000/month for rent, of course they should have to work 3 weeks solid just to afford a roof over their head!
Here's the thing, they're doing some very irritating reshuffling within Shaw as it is, trying to create as much redundancy as possible, in order to minimize specialist teams and reduce costs.
But, don't go blaming Shaw for raising everyone's cable bills. If the local stations would stop throwing all their money into buying up US properties and investing in US stations, they'd be able to afford themselves locally just fine. Instead, the local stations should see it as any other cable station does: If you don't make enough money, you go under. Reinvent yourself as a station to generate new interest. It's a business, not a charity. If a business can't produce profit, it goes bankrupt.
And as it is, there simply isn't any real demand for enough Canadian content to require so many "local" stations. The only way the local stations can even meet THEIR quota of Canadian content, is by increasing the amount of news they broadcast.
If you have a problem with this outrageous tax being added to your cable bill, to support local stations that invest most of their money over the boarder, then take it up with the stations. Because a tax is exactly what this is, on everyone who decides they want to actually have cable television. Shaw and all the other cable companies, don't have a choice in providing the channels with such low viewership, nor do they have a choice in paying so much to provide them. |
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Mustafa
join:2006-10-04
| said by AnonShawUser :Oh, but it's completely fair that the employees should take a paycut! I mean, really, with such a large portion of them being in Calgary for example, where it could cost them 1000/month for rent, of course they should have to work 3 weeks solid just to afford a roof over their head! I never said the employees should take a pay-cut, but you can’t blame all the rate increases (which are outpacing inflation) on the feud with the networks. I call it greed. As a consumer of your product I’m getting fed up with my bill increasing almost every time I get the dam thing.
If there were alternatives in my area trust me I’d be looking into them. This is I think a large part of the problem.
“Shaw income up 9% on record revenues”
»www.digitalhome.ca/2009/10/shaw-···evenues/
With the exception of Shaw’s study done by an entity paid for by the ISP’s we have one of the highest priced Internets for value.
I think it’s reasonable for people to complain.
What this Country needs is more competition desperately. This wouldn’t make Shaw ,Bell and Rogers happy but tough shit. |
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Anon
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Jimbo .. one word really explains the difference between internet here and Korea/Sweden/Norway/Japan.
Geography
Little countries with close population centers.
Canada - Big country spread out population centers.
Do the math when it comes to placing fibre to support a population in a small geographical area compared to a population across a large geographical region.
Korea 50m - 328per km/2
Japan 127m - 337
Norway 5m - 12
Sweden 9m - 20
Canada 33m - 3.2 |
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Mustafa
join:2006-10-04
2 edits | said by Anon :
Jimbo .. one word really explains the difference between internet here and Korea/Sweden/Norway/Japan.
Geography
Little countries with close population centers.
Canada - Big country spread out population centers.
Do the math when it comes to placing fibre to support a population in a small geographical area compared to a population across a large geographical region.
Korea 50m - 328per km/2
Japan 127m - 337
Norway 5m - 12
Sweden 9m - 20
Canada 33m - 3.2
TELCO’S and cable companies do not pay the true value if anything for the land that there fibre is on .They also receive financial incentives by the way of subsidies for extending there reach with fibre to remote locations/ small markets. It cost money to make money if they want to extend there market they have to invest. The price of fibre is no where near what it used to be when it first started rolling out.
If they can earn 1.54B on 3.39B earnings I think that pretty much speaks for itself. Can you say gouge. There is making a profit and there is getting greedy. |
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AnonShawUser
join:2006-06-17
Calgary, AB
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There's one problem with that argument: you don't have to run fiber to every resident in the country. Hitting up the major cities, such as Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Ottawa, etc.. would still make it financially viable. Especially since fiber doesn't degrade as rapidly as copper cabling does. |
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ErikRP
join:2004-11-06
Winnipeg, MB | reply to Cash Cow
Reason #93 why the Canadian networks can go screw themselves:
»CTV & Canwest ask CRTC to order blocking of U.S. programs |
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netwerk007
join:2009-08-09
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1 edit | You know what I'd love to see.
I have an appletv which currently delivers movies and tv shows on demand via pay per use basis. I would like the ability to subscribe to certain tv networks and watch shows over IP and cut out the need for a cable or sat company to be the middle man to provide the content. All you would need is internet connection. via Shaw/Telus or whoever.
All you will need is a pipe into your house. What you do with it after is your business.
I can honestly see this is where this fight will end up. |
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netwerk007
join:2009-08-09
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| said by netwerk007 :You know what I'd love to see. I have an appletv which currently delivers movies and tv shows on demand via pay per use basis. I would like the ability to subscribe to certain tv networks and watch shows over IP and cut out the need for a cable or sat company to be the middle man to provide the content. All you would need is internet connection. via Shaw/Telus or whoever. All you will need is a pipe into your house. What you do with it after is your business. I can honestly see this is where this fight will end up. Apparently I do not read enough news
»dvice.com/archives/2009/11/30mon···unes.php |
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ErikRP
join:2004-11-06
Winnipeg, MB
| I was thinking about everything I watch in a given week, and other than the occasional news program, all (totally, completely, 100%) of it is available for download from usenet within an hour of its broadcast. What's more, most shows are available for download in my choice of standard or high definition format.
Yes, it's slightly more work than flipping on the TV, but I can watch on my schedule, I have the show for as long as I want it and can have virtually limitless storage for a lot less than a PVR + extender.
I can definitely see me giving up cable in the near future, and I would describe myself as a fairly average viewer. I think it's just a matter of time before many more people start watching TV this way. |
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