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Re: updated to 9.10
I did that - wasn't much of a update.
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I upgraded my back up rig last night. Started at 7:30pm and finished at 10:30pm. Everything went smooth but that rig rarely gets used. My main rig gets used everyday and right now I'm a little leery of upgrading it. Before I do I'll back up some important documents and things before I attempt it. I don't want it to get FUBAR'd.
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| Just noticed a little issue - battery meter says charged when unplugged...a reboot fixes this, but I probably have to report the bug.
Everything else looks and feels good - programs start up rather quickly - including MS .exe's through wine.
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I will do the upgrade, this weekend. After reading all of the above, I think I will opt for the "dirty" upgrade instead of a clean install.
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said by Snakeoil  :only problem so far is flash seems to be crashing more then before. I play evony, before there was no flickering, now there is. I use Facebook and the apps. Before running an app caused Evony to "crash" and my streaming radio to turn off. Now it causes Firefox to crash. Runs ok as long as I don't use Facebook apps. Flash on Karmic sucks. After my first upgrade, it repeatedly crashed Swiftfox when using youtube with 3D desktop enabled. I had to disable compositing and found that was because Adobe, due to a stupid coding decision, was disabling hardware acceleration for Flash on some of my systems. If your glxinfo has a vendor line that says "SGI" anywhere in it, you are affected. Adobe didn't have the brains to use the direct rendering line to determine if a card is hardware accelerated under Linux. So, I said goodbye Adobe(always wanted to anyways) and got gnash. Did the same for the remaining upgrades. With a bit of tuning, it plays Youtube very nicely with 3D desktop and all. | |
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| said by Selenia :said by Snakeoil :only problem so far is flash seems to be crashing more then before. I play evony, before there was no flickering, now there is. I use Facebook and the apps. Before running an app caused Evony to "crash" and my streaming radio to turn off. Now it causes Firefox to crash. Runs ok as long as I don't use Facebook apps. Flash on Karmic sucks. After my first upgrade, it repeatedly crashed Swiftfox when using youtube with 3D desktop enabled. I had to disable compositing and found that was because Adobe, due to a stupid coding decision, was disabling hardware acceleration for Flash on some of my systems. If your glxinfo has a vendor line that says "SGI" anywhere in it, you are affected. Adobe didn't have the brains to use the direct rendering line to determine if a card is hardware accelerated under Linux. So, I said goodbye Adobe(always wanted to anyways) and got gnash. Did the same for the remaining upgrades. With a bit of tuning, it plays Youtube very nicely with 3D desktop and all. Strange as I've had zero problems with Flash after my upgrade (32 bit). The new Nvidia 185 driver has cured my Compiz/Emerald full screen app crash problem as well.
I have the 9.10 64 bit ISO and have been threatening to install as well but some reported Flash related issues worry me there.
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| The issue only applies if your vendor in glxinfo has SGI anywhere. As to the crashing, it was only when that was combined with a 3D desktop. Still, Adobe can go to hell for locking out hardware acceleration on perfectly capable hardware. The open source ATI driver currently has that line, which is capable of 3D desktop and even PSX games on older systems all the while running the 3D desktop.
Here we go. Stupid, stupid, stupid! »blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008···gpu.html | |
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said by kleeman :I have upgraded four systems now. Only minor problems on one laptop (dead keys became enabled by default which was annoying because the apostrophe key stopped working). I am impressed by several things: The video drivers work a lot better. I have laptops with both intel and ati cards and they are working much more smoothly and with MUCH higher 3d framerates. The boot up and shutdown times are much better. The theming is more professional looking than 9.04 One great thing about open source software is that with the occasional exception of a regression the software keeps getting less and less buggy with time. A lot of the apps I use are at version 1.0 and above now and are really very stable. Oh and they're free too. Congratulations to the developers. Its great to have one (jdong) here in the thread. Hmm What kind of laptops might those be? I have an Alienware m17 with two ATi HD3870's in Crossfire. Snakeoil convinced me to install Ubuntu on it after we began looking into running Windows games in Linux. I backed everything up and went for it and....
That night we were up until... what 3? 4? looking for drivers, command lines, and anything else that could make my ATi cards work with linux. We determined that while there are standard linux drivers that worked fine with my video cards, there was nothing I could do to get 3D support out of it. Windows 7 RC was then reinstalled... 
I'd really like to use Linux but Snakeoil and I spent a while looking for drivers and we couldn't find any. So kleeman, what kind of ATi cards do you have? and what drivers are you using?
Hopefully I'm not screwed out of using linux because of the video cards I have..
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The HD3870 should be supported by the Hardware Drivers GUI tool's fglrx drivers. No need to venture out into command line magic.
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| Perhaps one but I have two of them in Crossfire. Snakeoil may remember exactly what would happen after we installed the drivers. I'm pretty sure the computer would try to boot into Linux and hang on a black screen.
When we searched the high seas of the internet, we discovered ATi cards don't seem to play nicely with Ubuntu... We did find some "solutions" but nothing worked. That was a minute ago though, so I'm sure (and hoping) that by now they have added support for it.
If I can find out what kind of video card(s) kleeman has or if anyone can chime in as to whether or not Linux support HD3870's in crossfire, you'd make me happy. 
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There is also the radeonhd driver that is already installed and just may need to be specified in xorg.conf. Support isn't full yet, but it's pretty snappy for most things. Another consideration if fglrx fails to work for him.
Edit: I don't believe Crossfire is supported on any model with any driver =( I'm afraid you need to separate them. | |
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ATI Linux driver support is a deal braker for me as far as purchasing an ATI card. Although, I will say I've had some issues as well with Nvidia the past 3-4 years.
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1 edit | @Selenia We tried LOTS of different fixes and what you mentioned sounds familiar. We were working on it all night to no avail...
@Derspankster ATi drivers in Windows Vista were awful.. before that I used a mix of nvidia and ati in windows between ME and XP and usually didn't have any issues.
My nvidia cards in my old desktop which ran Ubuntu worked great as does Snakeoils. You mention passed 3-4 years though... I'm sure a lot has changed. When I first tried Ubuntu there was no wireless support.. I believe that was 8.xx (maybe 7.xx?? hmm can't remember..)
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| I was a late-comer to ubuntu and started with Dapper(6.06) and it had wireless support. I needed it. No WPA at the time with my Broadcom card, but WEP and an ssh tunnel worked just fine. WEP wasn't as crackable then as it is now. I did need ndiswrapper though and still do in the case of most Broadcom(The open source drivers sucks at range atm). | |
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I've done two of five computers and its been pretty painless so far.
I did notice slower USB xfer speeds on my main tower since the upgrade but there was a well document fix.
So far so good.
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name of display: :0.0
display: :0 screen: 0
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
server glx extensions:
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig,
GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control,
GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_ARB_create_context, GLX_ARB_multisample,
GLX_NV_float_buffer, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float
client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
client glx version string: 1.4
client glx extensions:
GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info,
GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_SGI_video_sync,
GLX_NV_swap_group, GLX_NV_video_out, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer,
GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_ARB_create_context, GLX_NV_float_buffer,
GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float, GLX_EXT_fbconfig_packed_float,
GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB,
GLX_NV_present_video, GLX_NV_multisample_coverage
GLX version: 1.3
GLX extensions:
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig,
GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control,
GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_ARB_create_context, GLX_ARB_multisample,
GLX_NV_float_buffer, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 7600 GT/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 185.18.36
OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20 NVIDIA via Cg compiler
OpenGL extensions:
GL_ARB_color_buffer_float, GL_ARB_depth_texture, GL_ARB_draw_buffers,
GL_ARB_fragment_program, GL_ARB_fragment_program_shadow,
GL_ARB_fragment_shader, GL_ARB_half_float_pixel, GL_ARB_half_float_vertex,
GL_ARB_framebuffer_object, GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_map_buffer_range,
GL_ARB_multisample, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_occlusion_query,
GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object, GL_ARB_point_parameters, GL_ARB_point_sprite,
GL_ARB_shadow, GL_ARB_shader_objects, GL_ARB_shading_language_100,
GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_compression,
GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add,
GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_texture_float,
GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two,
GL_ARB_texture_rectangle, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix,
GL_ARB_vertex_array_object, GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object,
GL_ARB_vertex_program, GL_ARB_vertex_shader, GL_ARB_window_pos,
GL_ATI_draw_buffers, GL_ATI_texture_float, GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once,
GL_S3_s3tc, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra,
GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate,
GL_EXT_blend_func_separate, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract,
GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, GL_EXT_Cg_shader, GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test,
GL_EXT_direct_state_access, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_fog_coord,
GL_EXT_framebuffer_blit, GL_EXT_framebuffer_multisample,
GL_EXT_framebuffer_object, GL_EXT_gpu_program_parameters,
GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil,
GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_pixel_buffer_object, GL_EXT_point_parameters,
GL_EXT_provoking_vertex, GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_secondary_color,
GL_EXT_separate_specular_color, GL_EXT_shadow_funcs,
GL_EXT_stencil_two_side, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_texture3D,
GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc, GL_EXT_texture_cube_map,
GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine,
GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic,
GL_EXT_texture_lod, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp,
GL_EXT_texture_object, GL_EXT_texture_sRGB, GL_EXT_texture_swizzle,
GL_EXT_timer_query, GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_EXT_vertex_array_bgra,
GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip, GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat,
GL_KTX_buffer_region, GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_copy_depth_to_color,
GL_NV_depth_clamp, GL_NV_fence, GL_NV_float_buffer, GL_NV_fog_distance,
GL_NV_fragment_program, GL_NV_fragment_program_option,
GL_NV_fragment_program2, GL_NV_framebuffer_multisample_coverage,
GL_NV_half_float, GL_NV_light_max_exponent, GL_NV_multisample_filter_hint,
GL_NV_occlusion_query, GL_NV_packed_depth_stencil, GL_NV_pixel_data_range,
GL_NV_point_sprite, GL_NV_primitive_restart, GL_NV_register_combiners,
GL_NV_register_combiners2, GL_NV_texgen_reflection,
GL_NV_texture_compression_vtc, GL_NV_texture_env_combine4,
GL_NV_texture_expand_normal, GL_NV_texture_rectangle,
GL_NV_texture_shader, GL_NV_texture_shader2, GL_NV_texture_shader3,
GL_NV_vertex_array_range, GL_NV_vertex_array_range2, GL_NV_vertex_program,
GL_NV_vertex_program1_1, GL_NV_vertex_program2,
GL_NV_vertex_program2_option, GL_NV_vertex_program3,
GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_lod,
GL_SGIX_depth_texture, GL_SGIX_shadow, GL_SUN_slice_accum
I don't have it do i?
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Damn! I kinda figured crossfire was the culprit.. that or ATi's lack of open sauce drivers despite claiming they have them... I'll keep using Windows 7 but I plan on adding a second HDD to my m17 and I'll use that to play around with Linux... I'm sure eventually it'll work somehow.
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said by TCub :If I can find out what kind of video card(s) kleeman has or if anyone can chime in as to whether or not Linux support HD3870's in crossfire, you'd make me happy. I have a Thinkpad T60 which runs ATI Radeon Mobility X1400
so it is an old card.
I am using the radeon driver (package: xserver-xorg-video-radeon). In /etc/X11/xorg.conf it specifies the acceleration method as XAA and acceleration is working well. I am getting 10,000 frames in 5 secs using (the discredited) glxgears which is a lot higher than before.
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1 edit | ahh a single card.. It seems my crossfire configuration is causing the issues then.. Thanks for the info!
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| Yeah, the crossfire is not Linux friendly at this time. They are working on it. ATI support is generally fine. I am using the notoriously difficult x1950PRO(according to ATI) and the open source radeon or ati package works great 99% of the time. I'd show you a glxinfo, but posting from my phone atm. Only issue I've had is with newer Adobe flash(Adobe's fault, see my link last post) and the fact ffxi still needs some fine tuning lol. Anyways, the performance is better than the old fglrx. The new fglrx is improved but only suppots the same cards as Radeonhd open source driver. Between the drivers, ati is pretty well covered. Some drivers do need tweaks, but c'mon. You're Linux users =) | |
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