Xstar_Lumini
join:2008-12-14
North Tonawanda, NY
|  Rogers Gets Pathetically Creamed By Other World ISPs
It's funny that we in Ontario would think to ourselves we might be among the fastest world's ISP's but boy are we in for a distasteful surprise, nations such as Moldova and the Alan Islands cream Rogers broadband extreme both in download speeds and upload speeds up to a whopping 5 times faster, for example the Alan Islands have an average upload speed of 5.33 Mb/s, Lithuania has an average upload speed of almost 9 mb/s, while Korea's download speeds average 21.79 mb/s while paying only about $22 CAD a month.
Any Rogers apologists want to explain this one away?
Top Countries by Download Speed
1. 21.79 Mb/s Korea, Republic of
2. 16.05 Mb/s Japan
3. 14.90 Mb/s Aland Islands
4. 13.47 Mb/s Lithuania
5. 13.41 Mb/s Latvia
6. 13.28 Mb/s Sweden
7. 12.91 Mb/s Romania
8. 12.38 Mb/s Netherlands
9. 12.06 Mb/s Bulgaria
10. 10.05 Mb/s Moldova, Republic of
11. 9.53 Mb/s Hong Kong
12. 8.98 Mb/s Slovakia
13. 8.93 Mb/s Andorra
14. 8.66 Mb/s Portugal
36. 5.74 Mb/s Canada |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON | You mean ISP's in Canada in general.
This really isn't a Rogers specific topic but the facts are already well knows.
Rogers and Shaw to some extent have helped Canada catch back up in the speed race but it will cost you dearly |
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Hello_123
@rogers.com | reply to Xstar_Lumini
The title of this thread should be changed, the study is related to all of Canadian ISP's, not specifically to Rogers.
And to the OP, what's there to explain? Canada ISP's is a closed market... duh. |
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Croaker
join:2009-10-01
Ottawa ON
| said by Hello_123 :
And to the OP, what's there to explain? Canada ISP's is a closed market... duh.
+1.
Their job is to maximize revenue. The fact they can do this in a marketplace protected by the regulator from competition and innovation is hardly their fault.
Instead, blame the CRTC and the federal cabinet for allow it. |
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Xstar_Lumini
join:2008-12-14
North Tonawanda, NY
1 edit | reply to Hello_123
said by Hello_123 :
And to the OP, what's there to explain? Canada ISP's is a closed market... duh.
and what exactly did I tried to prove except for that? 
P.S. I was at a flea market at the 400/Allistown, saw a flyer of a high-speed broadband provider that gives you speeds higher than Rogers via satellite dish, I wonder if the CRTC can defeat this one as *successfully* (not!) it beat DISH and DirectTV from reaching tens of thousands of homes in Toronto  |
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Croaker
join:2009-10-01
Ottawa ON
| said by Xstar_Lumini  :[...] saw a flyer of a high-speed broadband provider that gives you speeds higher than Rogers via satellite dish, [...] That doesn't even make sense. Think it through, how many transponders would be needed for 100Mbps? Two or three at least (45Mbps/transponder). How many do you think are on Nimiq 5 to use as an example. I think it's 32 in all but I could be wrong. Anyhow, the whole bird would be dedicated to servicing 10-20 customers. It's no longer broadcast and must be point to point. Does that sound like a viable business proposition to you? Plus, we're talking down link. What would you do for upstream? Also, what you you do for latency? 500ms may be fast but it won't satisfy most gamers.
Anyhow, I'm looking forward to being corrected. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | This sounds more like a UHF link using a dish reflector (that makes it *look* like satellite) on the aerial. Latency is the killer on any wireless solution. |
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Xstar_Lumini
join:2008-12-14
North Tonawanda, NY
| Wait a minute, but aren't we using satellite transmissions when we surf websites in Europe and Asia? How is this any different from me receiving broadband internet by a via-dish ISP? I don't get any latency or slowness surfing the BBC website in the UK for example. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Nope ... haven't used satellite for transatlatic/transpacific comms in a long time.
Transatlantic/transpacific has gone back to cables ... now fibre cables. |
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Manesh
join:2005-07-29 | reply to Xstar_Lumini
we are also the LEAST densely populated country... |
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Croaker
join:2009-10-01
Ottawa ON
| said by Manesh :we are also the LEAST densely populated country... If only if it was that simple. Even our urban areas which are denser to others on that list are much better served. Most have effective open access rules which is a better explanation for the ranking... |
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Croaker
join:2009-10-01
Ottawa ON
| reply to Xstar_Lumini
said by Xstar_Lumini :Wait a minute, but aren't we using satellite transmissions when we surf websites in Europe and Asia? How is this any different from me receiving broadband internet by a via-dish ISP? I don't get any latency or slowness surfing the BBC website in the UK for example. I don't know bud. I was only trying to determine who was offering 100Mbps connectivity over satellite. You saw the flyer, not me. |
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Xstar_Lumini
join:2008-12-14
North Tonawanda, NY
| reply to Manesh
said by Manesh :we are also the LEAST densely populated country... That's bull, Moldova is not more densely populated than the GTA, why can't we beat them? |
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Bytebender
Bytebender
Premium
join:2008-02-12
Canada
| reply to Croaker
said by Croaker :Their job is to maximize revenue. The fact they can do this in a marketplace protected by the regulator from competition and innovation is hardly their fault. Instead, blame the CRTC and the federal cabinet for allow it. Not their fault? Who's cash do you think persuaded those regulators to do this to us?
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Xstar_Lumini
join:2008-12-14
North Tonawanda, NY
1 edit | said by Bytebender :said by Croaker :Their job is to maximize revenue. The fact they can do this in a marketplace protected by the regulator from competition and innovation is hardly their fault. Instead, blame the CRTC and the federal cabinet for allow it. Not their fault? Who's cash do you think persuaded those regulators to do this to us? Here in my highrise building (17 floors) it was in the tenants' contract that satellite dishes were not allowed in the property. I later discovered that the landlord got kickbacks from Rogers for this and tenants were at the mercy of Roger's exorbitant & usurious cable TV fees. I was ready to challange this transgression and placed a satellite out of my balcony. As expected a letter was sent to me that I was "breaching the contract". I replied to them that I would take this matter to court and that I had the right to select my provider which was satellite TV. They then warned me that I would get evicted because the satellite dish was drilled on the building's wall (they did not challenged my freedom to choose my TV provider). I simply took off the dish from their wall and set it up on a table, not physically touching their building and sent them a photo. That was that, I was never again warned, that was 7 years ago now my building is full of satellite dishes everywhere.
It is disgusting that a corporation can bribe landlords to infringe on our basic freedoms and our government stands-by and allows it. |
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Hello_123
@rogers.com
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said by Xstar_Lumini :said by Manesh :we are also the LEAST densely populated country... That's bull, Moldova is not more densely populated than the GTA, why can't we beat them? Again the study is a reflection of the whole County... GTA != Canada.
It is already well known that North America (I notice you didn't show USA, but it's also not in your top 15) is slower in deploying faster networks.
They've JUST launched DOCSIS 3.0 @ 50/Mbps and Bell JUST launched FTTH @ ~20 Mbps
So we are getting there, but slowly. |
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Hello_123
@rogers.com
| reply to Xstar_Lumini
said by Xstar_Lumini :said by Bytebender :said by Croaker :Their job is to maximize revenue. The fact they can do this in a marketplace protected by the regulator from competition and innovation is hardly their fault. Instead, blame the CRTC and the federal cabinet for allow it. Not their fault? Who's cash do you think persuaded those regulators to do this to us? Here in my highrise building (17 floors) it was in the tenants' contract that satellite dishes were not allowed in the property. I later discovered that the landlord got kickbacks from Rogers for this and tenants were at the mercy of Roger's exorbitant & usurious cable TV fees. I was ready to challange this transgression and placed a satellite out of my balcony. As expected a letter was sent to me that I was "breaching the contract". I replied to them that I would take this matter to court and that I had the right to select my provider which was satellite TV. They then warned me that I would get evicted because the satellite dish was drilled on the building's wall (they did not challenged my freedom to choose my TV provider). I simply took off the dish from their wall and set it up on a table, not physically touching their building and sent them a photo. That was that, I was never again warned, that was 7 years ago now my building is full of satellite dishes everywhere. It is disgusting that a corporation can bribe landlords to infringe on our basic freedoms and our government stands-by and allows it. PS: It works both ways... There are some buildings were only Bell or Telus is the main provider, this isn't a Rogers specific issue. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| reply to Hello_123
said by Hello_123 :
They've JUST launched DOCSIS 3.0 @ 50/Mbps and Bell JUST launched FTTH @ ~20 Mbps
So we are getting there, but slowly.
Given the very poor takeup of these higher speed tiers due to the exhorbitant prices, slowly is going to be an understatement. Were it not for the fact that DOCSIS 3 is going to actually save on performance upgrading for a little while, I'm sure our cable operators wouldn't go with these higher speed tiers.
Moreover, I'm sure Bell on seeing how few people want their FTTH (due to cost) will go bleating to the CRTC saying "See, we told you it wasn't really wanted". |
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boink9999
@rogers.com | reply to Xstar_Lumini
I'd love to see a breakdown of speed by isp in canada.
I may not have the fastest in the world, but I average well above 5 megs/sec. |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to sbrook
said by sbrook :Moreover, I'm sure Bell on seeing how few people want their FTTH (due to cost) will go bleating to the CRTC saying "See, we told you it wasn't really wanted". If they wanted to prove that no one wants FTTH, they went to some considerable expense. Aliant has a good chunk of cash but they still need a good return. |
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