Ibezombie
join:2009-06-12
| [ Classes] 3.2.2 Rogue
Okay since 3.2.2 came out I changed my Mut/Prep pvp spec to straight up assassination spec I have shadowbite and the fleshshaper, bad daggers I know. One with berserking one with mongoose. And the dps in that spec is significantly lower than my combat. I was on onyxia 25 last night and before the whelps came out I was pulling 6.7k dps. Top of the chart. And this is with maces in combat. I thought armor pen got nerfed. I haven't seen a decrease in dps or damage what so ever. Maybe I don't know the assassination spec rotation. So here it is
Garrotte
HfB
Mut
SnD
Mut
Mut
Rupture
Mut
Mut
Envenom
mut
mut
rupture
so on and so fourth until HfB gets low, then I pop that.
I'm specced so that my envenom keeps SnD up so I don't have to refresh that. It seems as if I should be getting better DPS considering in combat I have to save combo points and hit SnD which takes all of them and does no damage. Where here I'm using envenom to keep it up, which, by the way doesn't use my deadly poison. Those crit for usually around 9k.
So why is my combat spec getting 3.7 on heroic dummy and my assassination getting 2.7?
please keep flaming low. I've been combat since I started playing. |
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djlar
join:2009-04-23
799228
| Good luck opening with garrote on Onyxia.. LOL...
I have a 232 shanker and the "murder" one, I need a better off-hander, I'm doing much less dps than more geared muti rogues. Even if I have berskerking on both.
I think combat maces is working much better, also with a i219 mace, but these 2 have mongoose (cause I'm poor), mongoose procs way less than berserk.
If only the tankard dropped.... |
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Rorque
join:2009-01-27
| said by djlar  :If only the tankard dropped.... I've managed to get three of those Tankards and haven't seen a mount or remote yet. lol |
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Ibezombie
join:2009-06-12
| reply to Ibezombie
I opened up with garrotte on ony all the times ive been, what's so hard about it? I even open with garrotte in combat on ony. The tank grabbs her and instantly faces her away from raid so I have no problem getting behind her to open with it.
Since there were no comments on my rotation does that mean it's correct?
My maces are aldears battlestar and a 1.6 226 oe 232 from Ulduar aldars battlestar has mongoose and the ulduar one has berserking, its only 800g my server for berserking. |
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djlar
join:2009-04-23
799228 | reply to Ibezombie
Maybe you got lucky and didn't get tail swiped.....
Only drake that doesn't tail swipe is Malygos (that I know of).
the area of the swipe of Onyxia is huge, a pixel of 2 behind her leg sends you flying to the whelp nest... good luck.. |
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Staulkor
@rhsnet.org
| reply to Ibezombie
That OH is too slow. I had a 1.6 OH Mace, did some reading on EJ, decided to try and swap to a 1.4 OH Dagger (Webbed Death for now), and move 1 point into CQC, huge increase in DPS.
I was worried about the ArP "nerf" too, but it's not quite what you think. It's just capped at 100% now. Before it was possible to reduce armor by more than 100%, and it should not have been. Now anyone who was hitting over 100% ArP will see a reduction in their DPS (until they re-gem and increase another stat to even it out). If you were never above 100% you won't notice the difference.
You need 85% ArP from gear with 5/5 Mace Spec, but no higher than that or you're wasting stats.
I've been playing with a ruptureless spec and cycle, but I will probably switch back. I'm only at 67% ArP when my trinket procs, not quite high enough for running ruptureless yet.
Your OH weapons are what are holding you back. Fleshaper is too slow of an OH for Mutilate, you don't want 2 slow high damage weapons for that anymore like you used to, you want 1 slow MH, and fastest OH again.
Same with your combat spec, 1.6 OH is too slow. You want a 1.4 OH. There aren't any good OH Maces, so if you're running with a MH Mace, an OH dagger 1 with 1 point in CQC is best. |
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djlar
join:2009-04-23
799228
| reply to Ibezombie
I only use rupture for the T9 bonus proc, but it's a 1 or 2 pts.. since it no longer crits w/o the T8 bonus..
On combat I'm using envenom as second finisher, it crits to 11-12K! and the 5 stack poison builds up very quick.
How's the eviscerate spec now? Maybe I try that instead of envenom, it should crit 10K+... |
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Darkspite
join:2009-03-12
Minneapolis, MN
| reply to Ibezombie
Your rotation looks pretty solid. Sometimes you can sneak an extra envenom (or two) in before you need to rupture again.
As said before, you want a fast OH dagger for energy procs; Expertise is an important stat for Mut rogues, more so than combat; Your hit may be low and so you're getting partial resists on your poison procs (resists do not show on recount); You want to run Instant poison MH and Deadly OH.
And there's a sweet spot on all dragons that is considered "behind" which is just behind the foreleg and just in front of the rear leg. Garrote here and stab away 
~Darkspite
Azgalor |
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AnonRogue
@ameritech.net | reply to Ibezombie
Would someone be able to post their mace spec? I got two tankard o terror's yesterday and wouldnt mind trying out the mace spec.
I will be using a dagger OH. The second tankard is to save for a few months before the AH. |
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Staulkor
@rhsnet.org
| reply to djlar
I don't have 2pc T9 yet, I dropped 4pc T8/8.5 for a 245 chest and 232 gloves, but still have the T8.5 gear in my bags.
For ruptureless, I put 3/3 improved evis, and swapped rupture glyph for the evis glyph.
My average evis crit is just under 12k in 10 mans. I haven't gotten a good average for 25 man yet, 'cause we did Twins after I switched... 35K Evis crit on that one, lol.
It seemed like with 4pc T8 bonus rupture crits were 50/50, regardless of if my crit rating was above or below 50%.
Look up Staulkor on Whisperwind before tomorrow. I might be picking up a 2nd T9 (245) piece tonight when we do ToC25, if I have enough points to win a trophy, I spent most of them on Death's Verdict trinket Sunday, only have about 400 left, and trophies have been going for 700+.. I will probably switch back to using rupture after I get that set bonus, but might keep my spec the same way.
My gems are all screwed up since I moved some gear around, might be regemming before I raid tonight as well. |
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djlar
join:2009-04-23
799228
| reply to Ibezombie
I'm thinking to going back to fist/fast offhand combat spec with Evis on it, since my maces aren't still the best (a 232 fast offhand and a i129 slow main had) with mongoose enchant.
My Fist is the i232 Main hand from Uld 25 and I can either choose the i232 dagger or the remorse for offhand, all 3 with berserking..
What do you thinK? Ket'thuzad's dagger or Razorscale's remorse for offhand? |
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Staulkor
@rhsnet.org
| reply to Ibezombie
If by KT's Dagger you mean Sinister Revenge (only one I can think of), you don't want to use that as an OH, way too slow.
Remorse is a good OH, but being a sword makes it not that great for a Fist/Dagger build.  You could put that 1 point you'd normally end up wasting on something else into sword spec, and it would work OK, but a good MH sword would be better to go with it. I think that is probably your best bet until you either pick up a good MH Sword to go with that OH Sword, or a better OH Dagger to go with the good MH Fist you have now.
The only mixed weapon spec that works great is Mace/Dagger (Fist/Dagger and Axe/Sword don't count as mixed weapon since their talents cover both weapon types). It used to be the best, after last patch, now Axe/Sword (hack'n'slash) has supposedly pulled slightly ahead.
Or run H ToC until Adelar's Battlestar drops for you, great mace, would go well with the 232 OH Mace you said you have. |
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djlar
join:2009-04-23
799228 | reply to Ibezombie
That's the one I have.. LOL...
Why not a sword in the offhand? the 5% bonus crit from talents comes only from main hand, off-hand doesn't add to the crit, as long as it is fast it should suffice.. right? |
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Staulkor
@rhsnet.org
| The crit increase affects both hands, you just only see the increase on your paper doll when you have one in the main hand.
Example, with my build, 5/5 Mace and 1/5 CQC, I don't see the 1% crit when I look at my character, but I do still get 1% increase in crit chance to my OH attacks because I have a dagger in my OH.
Now if you do 5/5 CQC and 1/5 Hack'n'Slash, your paper doll will show 5% extra crit, but that crit will not actually apply to the sword in your OH, so you might have say 40% crit rating showing, but only your MH is getting that, your OH would only be getting 35%.
You said i129, typo I see 219 is what you meant if that's the mace you have.
What 232 dagger do you have? 232 fist with 232 OH dagger is best if the dagger is at least 1.5 (1.4 would be preferred) for the weapons you ahve. |
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dynodb
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join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
1 edit | reply to Ibezombie
First off- your spec is broken.
Lose the three points in Imp Evicerate. You should almost never be using Eviscerate; you can pretty much take it off your keybinds as there are almost no mobs immune to poisons anymore. Drop another two points from CQC. Put the five points in Relentless Strikes- 25 energy refunded from Envenom and Rupture is hugely important.
Find a fast OH dagger, preferably 1.4 speed. This is mainly for more Focused Attacks procs in addition to Deadly Poison stacking faster. Buy another T8.5 piece with badges so you at least have the 2-set bonus.
If you can open from stealth behind the target (not always possible)-
Garrote
HfB
SnD
Mut to 4-5 combo points
Envenom
Mut to 4-5 combo points
Rupture
From there:
Every 4-5 combo points, envenom. Pool energy- don't use mut every time it's up after an envenom unless you need to; you want to maximize the time that the envenom buff is up.
Keeping SnD up with Envenom is your first priority, followed by HfB then rupture. During boss fights, vanish sometime after the Overkill buff wears off for another 20 seconds of Overkill.
Combat rogues have an advantage on bosses with a burn phase such as the XT heart, but otherwise mutilate is hard to beat right now in terms of DPS- for any spec of any class. |
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djlar
join:2009-04-23
799228
| reply to Ibezombie
I have that 232 Dagger for mut (don't recall name but KT 25 drops it) the OH is the "murder" from Seph 25, not doing very well with that pair, even if murder it's 1.5 but has low damage, 20DPS less or so.
Now with the FoK 'nerf', mut is more ideal for FoK spam (Onyxia whelps anyone?), I specced mut for my 2 Ony fights, over 12K DPS, 2M damage on whelps from knives.. since the moonkins, mages and locks are focused on Onyxia, a muti rogue is ideal to clear up whelps, other melee can focus on the big adds, after all whelps are out or low rogue can help with adds |
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Staulkor
@rhsnet.org
| KT Doesn't drop a 232 dagger... that dagger is 226, 1.8 speed, good MH, very bad for OH.
I don't think you would see any less FoK DPS in Combat.
Mut isn't on top right now, it's a close 2nd or 3rd depending on what gear you have available. Play around with it until you figure out what is best with the gear you currently have. |
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dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| said by Staulkor :
Mut isn't on top right now, it's a close 2nd or 3rd depending on what gear you have available. Play around with it until you figure out what is best with the gear you currently have.
Tell it to my damage meters. There are likely others on my server that can top my mutilate DPS, but if they exist, I've not played with any of them. This weekend pulled 9202 dps on XT-002; was pulling over 7k before the heart even dropped. 8400 dps on Hodir. 7400 dps on Koralon in VoA.
Mutilate is in a very good spot right now. |
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crytz
join:2009-03-17
 ·Comcast
1 edit | said by dynodb :said by Staulkor :
Mut isn't on top right now, it's a close 2nd or 3rd depending on what gear you have available. Play around with it until you figure out what is best with the gear you currently have.
Tell it to my damage meters. There are likely others on my server that can top my mutilate DPS, but if they exist, I've not played with any of them. This weekend pulled 9202 dps on XT-002; was pulling over 7k before the heart even dropped. 8400 dps on Hodir. 7400 dps on Koralon in VoA. Mutilate is in a very good spot right now. I agree there, I'm putting out about 9k on XT as well and on average about 6k+ on most fights that dont require anything other then dps.
I did just get 2 ilvl 245 drops last night which I'm kind of scared to dump my 4 set t8.5 bonus for but I figured I'll try it out and see how it goes. I got the waist from twin and the leggings from the 2nd boss. I was thinking of using evis instead of evenom but maybe I'll keep the same rotation.
stalkr/smolderthorn if anyone can get to the amory. |
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dynodb
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join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| said by crytz :I agree there, I'm putting out about 9k on XT as well and on average about 6k+ on most fights that dont require anything other then dps. I did just get 2 ilvl 245 drops last night which I'm kind of scared to dump my 4 set t8.5 bonus for but I figured I'll try it out and see how it goes. I got the waist from twin and the leggings from the 2nd boss. I was thinking of using evis instead of evenom but maybe I'll keep the same rotation. stalkr/smolderthorn if anyone can get to the amory. Don't be surprised if you see a loss in dps; the T8.5 4-piece bonus is pretty good and the T9 bonuses suck ass in comparison. From what people have posted, going from T8.5 4-set to T9.245 2-set is a loss of dps.
Currently I'm using the T9.245 shoulders, with ilvl 245 pants in the bank. Not considering dropping the T8.5 4-set until I get another T9.245 piece, which would give me the 2-set bonus for both T8.5 and T9.5 plus the ilvl 245 legs. Even then I'm not sure it would be worth it.
Clashrogue - Feathermoon is my rogue. |
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